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At least so long as he doesn’t go by “Dork” :{

Yep we’ll see. We know he beat out UK for Wilkerson. That’s actual head to head recruiting so far. Personally I think he demonstrated good coaching acumen, and he brings an established history of building teams up. He disappointed for sure in the end of season collapse but how much of that was on the lack of depth of talent? Very interested to see how the portal recruiting goes, what players are emphasized, how big a role and impact does Carr play and bring, what other changes in approach will we see? Big off season. Needs to score some real impact players

What coaches are running circles around DeVries? Are you talking recruiting? As in when he came in late with no staff? Has it in him? Don’t think there’s a basis for that observation, but this spring and summer for sure is a test, and Carr should be play a big part

Yeah I get all that and don’t mean to be unnecessarily dismissive, but it’s almost comical how this Board one day criticizes the talent level of our current group - most of whom excelled at the mid major level - and then it’s hey look at this Robert Morris guy. To contend in the B1G and run into March we all know we need B1G level athletes, length, skill. There are always good mid major guys who can make the leap, but we have a legit NBA scouting talent now on staff, time to recruit with a full staff in place, and portal money to spend. I’m sure the staff plans on aiming high, the microscope is already on. I expect that there will be plenty of good high major players available. Even Woodson could land high end players, he just had no college game acumen, no modern offense, no coaching ability etc. I think DeVries will aim higher out of the gate

Bro I know him, he was never just some SHSU guy he was a league leading 3 point shooter not even remotely comparable

I think we can do better than a Robert Morris transfer

We lost our mojo when the U self-reported and self-imposed program ending sanctions in firing Sampson. We were 24-4 when he was fired. He was landing elite recruits including recruits who committed before his termination. Then Crean had to rebuild from complete scratch playing baseball players to start without scholarships to offer. btw Beilein was always a cheater (ineligible players etc) he just hadn’t been caught like Sampson at OK. But then maybe it would’ve worked out if we hired him because unlike Sampson the NCAA wasn’t actively after him. Just looking at what Sampson has built at UH is depressing lol

Sampson says hello

She could be a special player

Completely fair. But it wasn't just inability to predict how 'fugly' the CAM and Woodson hires would be, it was the lack of an adequate plan and pre-firing coach search before he was fired.

Whether the decision to fire him was the correct one is debatable. For me the player/team culture was a real issue, but the phone call / Sampsongate allegations were what was stupid (and not even violations the very next year). Compare what UNC did -- after a much more significant scandal and NCAA violations in the complete fake African American Studies program, fake/non-existent classes. They fought the NCAA, and ended up completely fine. IU chose to roll over after self-reporting, and self-imposed program-ending sanctions. We absolutely had a choice. The way the administration handled it, completely gutting the program unilaterally, was utterly stupid and is why were are where we are today.

I continue to be more or less on the fence re the Crean firing. He wasn't a good x's and o's / sideline or defensive coach, and he probably wasn't ever going to win a title, but he did win B1G championships and take the team to multiple SW16's built on exceptional recruiting of multiple players who were some of the best or better players ever to play for IU and/or some of our favorite IU players ever, Cody, Yogi, Vic, Wat, Hulls, etc. That team that lost to Cuse in the SW16 was absolutely a title contender, and Hulls was injured and unable to spread the floor to help break the zone in that game. Of course, Crean's luster had largely worn off in HS recruiting and he was never consistent, good seasons followed by bad because of the way he recruiting and bringing in players who never should've played at IU let alone any power program. But as is obvious, the program lacked a good plan for his replacement and it was followed by 8 years of the worst basketball this program has seen. People keep saying we haven't been good or a power program or whatever for the last 20 years. That's complete BS. We were very relevant and a contender for multiple years under Crean, and we were outstanding under Sampson's short tenure. We've been horrible after Crean was fired because of Archie and Woodson. It isn't a 20 year problem, it's an 8-year problem, and whether DeVries can right the ship starting this offseason remains to be seen.

We had him in Sampson. Seriously. I fully get he was violating NCAA rules (that went away the very next season) and the player culture in particular (drugs, failing classes) was bad, but we were 24-4 when the administration stupidly fired him and unilaterally destroyed the entire bball program, and as is completely obvious, Sampson is one of the best coaches in DI ball and has single-handedly turned U of Houston into a perennial bball powerhouse.

Bye bye O$U more of your money down the drain early

I tend to agree. IU didn't have to (and imo should not have) bent over backwards for "optics" on timing of Woodson supposedly stepping down. Doing so predictably and did seriously hamstring the incoming coach to IU's detriment. Fully predictable, another bad decision with clear consequences.

And the coaches vote her 2nd team, Tyra’s right, what a joke

While I'm extremely disappointed and still mystified by the end-of-season collapse, I'm really looking forward to what Carr does in the Portal. He was brought on largely if not specifically for what he is expected to do with the roster re-build. His tons of experience in evaluating players, including heading up the Pacers scouting department, is huge, not to mention 4 years of assistant coaching experience at the college level.

thing is imo you glossed over "for assembling ... quickly under difficult circumstances...." That was the situation, late hire, complete rebuild, zero assistants on staff to start. Yes, it was a temporary fix, for those reasons.

I hear Miami has the largest food budget

Yeah can only play the teams in front of you. His success in the B1G couldn’t get him past the SW16, but at least he had us there several times.

Everyone has their own viewpoint / vantage point but the article I think is dead on accurate. The core (Lenee, Caffey, Socka, Maya, Noyan) is very good, the incoming class is very good, the end of season play should help with retention of the core players and the current frosh will be sophs with a year of B1G play under their belts, and there's zero sign that Moren is leaving / retiring etc. But the article also specifically points out there are scenarios where things could go awry including an unexpected transfer (or transfers) and not hitting in the portal. So late spring-summer will tell us more.

It's all just further evidence of how bad CAM and Woodson were. We had SW16's under Crean, he was wacky, often embarrassing, usually had mediocre defensive teams, and he was no Sampson coaching wise, but we won a lot with him. I do think DeVries will have us back at least at that level in another season or so. This season isn't going where I thought it would in his first season, but he's clearly a good coach and miles better than Miller or Woodson.

Win and move forward

IU - 81 Putty Cats - 76

Think OSU wins and covers the spread. But picking IU anyway in a Hail Mary, cause why not IU - 77 OSU - 76