PartyintheVillas

You're just being a dug in jerk who doesn't want to have to acknowledge Northwestern won the tie, plus continuing to ignore that Indiana finished 3 games behind and never actually was in contention with an all-timer and a first round pick. If you are picking 2023 as your standard for success at Indiana, you and I have different definitions of success for Indiana basketball.

and a tie breaker made them 3rd and they were the 3 seed

Is this your criteria and you are advocating for Archie Miller to get more years than 4 at Indiana?

You can spin the 3 seed as much as you want. You can lob personal insults at me. Still, Indiana finished 3 games behind Purdue in a down big ten and got boat raced by Miami in the second round with an all-American and an nba first rounder.

Cal left because he wasn't winning and Kentucky fans demanding winning games. The hired Mark Pope who is more proven at the collegiate level than Mike Woodson.

Then why were they the 3 seed in the B1G tournament?

It had nothing to do with an irrational fanbase running off a coach. That's just lies. Cal could have stayed, he's the one who started the drama and rumors of going to Arkansas. Barnhardt decided not to play that game. Plus, Cal hasn't been really good for awhile now.

Indiana was 3 games behind the winner and technically was third and the 3 seed in the conference tournament. It took a little bit of a miracle run in the Big 10 tournament his first season to make the NCAA tournament. He's never gotten past the second round of the NCAA tournament. If he were coaching Iowa, not bad, he's basically Fran McCaffery though. That's not good enough for Indiana. The roster looks better this season for sure with a big influx of pay to play. I'm in wait and see mode, but like I said, I'll be cheering for him and IU. I just won't be holding my breath for a Big 10 championship.

Mike Davis, Tom Crean, and Archie Miller were all fired by Indiana for losing too much. Mike Davis and Tom Crean were fired by their next schools as well and Archie is well on his way (21-42 in two seasons.) They are not good coaches and did not grow into being good coaches.

I am in wait and see mode for my personal opinion on Mike Woodson as the Indiana basketball coach, and will be cheering my @$$ off for him and the Hoosiers this season. However, he's not proven to be able to contend for conference championships or final fours, which should be the expectation at Indiana with the resources that are available.

Alum has nothing to do with it. Just. win. games. That's all that really matters. Money and opportunity attract top candidates. Coaches are smart enough to see the greatness of Mike Davis, Tom Crean, and Archie Miller post IU. Hiring is the problem. Indiana still has Indiana money and Indiana potential.

Well yeah, but it's not the cause of the problem. The problem is poor hiring, not firing under achieving coaches.

Yep, typo on the 5 but still, Archie Miller wasn't building anything and it was obvious. Mike Davis was not building anything and it was obvious. Tom Crean was constantly building, then having to rebuild a bad situation of his own making all while turning off recruits at the end with a Sweet 16 ceiling. So, are you saying that if we kept Mike Davis or Archie Miller longer then Indiana basketball would be better?

Mike Davis got 6 seasons. Sampson got 1.5, but fired for reasons other than not winning enough Crean got 9 seasons. Miller got 5 seasons. Woodson is currently preparing for his 4th. Coaches are not being fired every 2-3 years. Coaches are being given opportunities to build a consistent winner, and none have so far since the year 2000.

Aren't you one of most vocal of the fire Mike Woodson crowd?