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Naah, it’s 8 min no refs up and down for the crowd, other than a very limited look at how some guys looked with the ball (JHS / Bates) there’s almost nothing anyone can really draw from this

Yes. Probably read this forum

They list 8 — eight — other freshmen to watch and overlook Ren - a 5 star. It’s amateur

Kind of bizarre they completely ignore Ren But considering their discussion begins with the “ACC”…. Kind of amateur

Ah yes, Indiana State, the opening of the Archie Miller tenure.... Talk about writing on the wall lol.

I had no idea Olivia has that kind of temper — I’ll be more careful around her now :)

The toilets are offended by this name

No dog in this back and forth, but chiming in on the big differences between college and NBA coaching - program building. It’s not that college is some special situation, it’s that it’s different in major ways from coaching pro ball. As a college coach you’re recruiting every year, almost all the time, rebuilding your team all the time with the same win now expectation, meanwhile you’re coaching guys right out of high school, sometimes most of the team, you’re bound by NCAA rules, you’re beholden to the U pres and admin, you’re a, often the face of the school and have to live your life accordingly. NBA coaches don’t recruit, that itself is a major difference, they’re coaching professionals, mostly grown men, all of whom are basically the best players in the world — they made the NBA, you’re not rebuilding your team every year, you’re not a face of a University you’re a pro coach answerable only to the owners and League

I’m not clear at this point how it will shake out, and I think Kopp’s minutes should decrease but am not comfortable Woodson, who has heavily emphasized veteran players so far, will cut them much. Assuming it’s X and JHS starting at guard/on ball (I am pretty confident JHS starts), Kopp could get more shots and WHEN he actually shoots he’s a good (not great) shooter so Woodson may just roll out mostly the same group but with JHS. I don’t want that, but can see it as a possibility. But, if Banks is actually ready for real minutes at the B1G level, then Kopp may share more with him, and I think maybe a small amount with JG when he gets some run at wing in a different look, faster and more athletic lineup. I’ll take a stab at it in order of minutes but just don’t have a good feel until I see guys like Ren and Banks in college games TJD X JHS Race Bates Kopp JG Ren Galloway Banks Leal Duncomb Gunn

Bro, you’re on another planet, just drop it

Pretty solid looking, can improve his movement on release but pretty solid

Just don't go to Russia ....

Vonleh doesn't get much love here/from IU fans, for his one-year stay and how he (IIRC) limited play heading towards the end of season/draft, but he's carved out a fairly long professional career with several NBA stops and now he's at least potentially back. Good for him --

I honestly have no idea why you're pursuing this ridiculous argument. Right, newsflash, Vic was NOT a point guard, he was a 2/off guard, he was not a primary ball handler in high school or college, and you think that supports this ridiculous, senseless argument that he could barely dribble?? Why you continue this inanity is beyond me man. And I'm not buying you watched the team then, or you (hopefully) would not pursue this ridiculous argument. That's all I can stand, I'm out of this.

No, Vic wasn’t a point, that’s the point. And he wasn’t kept off the floot?? Did you even watch those teams? I’m sorry but this is ridiculous

Hate to see that happen to anyone. Memories of Maurice Creek, one of the highest scoring freshman before his first knee injury.

RIP, a genuinely great one

One of my favorite bands, never really took off in the U.S., but one of the better recent rock bands out there, lead singer/guitarist Kelly Jones (Welsh) has a really distinctive, unique voice and nice guitar work Probably their most known (biggest hit) Maybe Tomorrow But lots of other great tunes - Dakota's from their Language. Sex. Violence album - excellent, deep all around

^^ Really nice unplugged:

This is outstanding. Thx for sharing it

So are you really arguing Vic could barely dribble? Really? This entire discussion is weird. His “dribble” was fine man

Face mirror anyway :)

In fairness it’s not semantics. Vic never had any trouble dribbling, and again he averaged a double double as a guard on the strong Dematha team (and I’ve posted it here bf, a friend who scouted Vic before he picked IU gave me his opinion then that he’d be a star. Vic was never a primary ball handler, he came in as a 2 or off ball guard, that wasn’t his role. He had high TO’s early bc of his aggressive attacking play and learning to play under control and at the speed of college ball, not bc he was somehow learning how to dribble, come on now. His offensive game improved all around, including a monster jump in outside shooting, from the 20s to the 40s, but you could see the form in his FT’s, he had all the tools coming in, about as good a recruiting decision as I’ve ever seen

Yeah he averaged a double double including boards as a guard on that DeMatha team, already an excellent defender and Cook got the offensive load and Coach K ran in and grabbed him overlooking Vic. Who got the better end of that deal? Lol

Agree and with @cthomas-- sometimes the media guys lose track of the fact they're talking to college kids who play basketball - a couple hey congrats on being a dad type questions are cool, but come on media guys, stop the digging around into a player's personal life.