IUrocker

I wasn’t saying he was a risky pickup, and understand how and why we got him...just that he ended up not being the type of player we thought he could be for us.

Even though Keion may know there is trouble in the locker room, I’m certain the coaching staff has told him they will be gone and all will be way different next year if he comes to IU. He has been reassured they are well aware of the problem we have going on and he wouldn’t have to deal with it at all next year.

Ah gotcha, thanks. I thought I saw somewhere it was when he turned it over by a bad pass out of bounds or something.

Makes you wonder if Archie is hesitant and uncomfortable with getting rid of them knowing they aren’t his players, when you would hope to see it as happening the other way where he would have no problem with it because he didn’t invest in recruiting them so he’d flat out be willing to tell them hey, it’s unacceptable for you to act like this, you’re obviously unwilling to show you care, so be gone. Like I said, he must just be trying to bite his tongue until the end of the season. I get it in a way, but at the same time I don’t because it’s allowing them to keep on with the ridiculous antics.

I was holding back to not shout out names until now as well, but to see Green and Smith act like this is down right ridiculous. At this point i don’t care if they give us a better chance to win a couple games than someone on the bench. They don’t deserve to play and be on this team acting like that and them continuing to get to play and be here is just allowing them to continue to spread the cancer to everyone by being disrespectful and worthless. If Archie knows they will be gone and if they know they will be gone, then just sit them. They are obviously not gonna care at all about what they do out on the court if they plan on not being here anyways. Maybe the whole plan is for them to play on and keep things quiet until the end of the season in hopes it doesn’t screw anything up, but they don’t have the right attitudes to make that a successful thing. If at this point they are just going through the motions to get the season over with and doing it by being immature smart a**es and disrespectful then to heck with them, get them the heck out.

Coach got them to play great D and with intensity, we just need a freakin roster of players who can shoot the basketball.

Dang Juwan

Kline and those straight on top of the key daggers. The screens they set up for him get him a look every time

Finally Smith...just don’t get too cocky with it now and screw something up. Just because you made that, don’t go start playing hero ball because it’s not gonna work

You’re not MJ, Smith!! take a couple dribbles first and get a little closer before u go up for that!

Smith not there to defend that 3....

My gosh do I hope this is a case of Jerry getting false leaked information on purpose to make him think Keion is now leaning Kentucky...

Is the flip legit with this one, or are you saying this with sarcasm? Darn text I can’t tell!! Lol Has Jerry ever flipped like this and been dead wrong? I’d like to think he has.

Someone on the other site just posted that he was told Brooks called the staff on the way back to Indiana letting them know he was going to Kentucky, official announcement in a week....but it was the person’s very first post...never seen before..lol

Now I know, I know, this is really thinking deep and just trying to make the situation positive and could for sure be way off...but...what if he cancelled the MSU visit after visiting Kentucky to throw the smoke of making people think he must have liked what he saw at Kentucky and will choose them, when really he still plans on coming to IU and he’s just making people assume and think he’s going to Kentucky. Then surprise, I’m coming to IU because I know they need me and my buddy TJ and I along with everyone else new on the roster NOT causing problems can get this back on track. Maybe I’m still asleep and typing this as I dream, ha.

In my opinion I just think players have mailed it in. They don’t give a damn because they may be aware of changes that are happening with behind the scenes stuff...I can definitely see this being a matter of Archie is still recruiting players for next year as replacements, and guys know it. (of course it’s not my place to name names and speculate). This team’s effort, attitude, heart, you name it is ridiculous.

Obviously these made 3’s by Minnesota are ridiculous, but this IU team is softer than Charmin...I guarantee it drives Archie nuts to not have guys get mean and play with freakin passion and the refuse to lose attitude. Everything looks so half-a**. It’s frustrating to see us play all these teams who have no name recruits play with fire and beat us up. In my opinion, changes are probably gonna be made, and players know it, so in the back of their minds maybe the rest of this season is just Meh to them.

It took Carsen Edwards 27 (!!) shots to get 24 points. Just doesn’t look as impressive to be averaging what he does knowing he is shooting it that many times to try to get there. In comparison, Langford shot the ball the most in our last game with 13 shots.

Thing is, if it was just a player trying to hold some guys with issues accountable, are those guys gonna react positively and take it as motivation and the kick in the rear they needed, or are they gonna take it negatively and cry about it, being the softies a lot of people think they are, and react in a bad way because they didn’t enjoy being called out and getting their widdle feewings hurt. Depending which way that goes could drastically change the effort level we see the remainder of the season (not that the effort level was up there in the acceptable range to begin with)....unless it ends up being something Archie rids of right away and says enough is enough.

Need a couple snipers on next year’s team. I don’t care if they don’t have 5 stars next to their name. The ones who don’t are usually the ones who play with heart and have something to prove anyways. Jordan Bohannon was ranked as the #312 player in the country coming out of high school and look what he did to IU tonight. Dude can shoot. It’s crazy how it always ends up being those guys who end up lighting it up against us.

Unleash the Franimal

I had always said I trust Archie....and then Evan Fitzner happened....but i'm still gonna go ahead and trust Archie, haha.

We probably end up miraculously playing well, but refs won’t make Izzo lose on College Gameday.....part of me is joking, but then again...

Yep, in my opinion, your last paragraph states how I think it should be, and WILL be. I can see some changes happening next year with the roster and it’ll turn into most of the roster being Archie’s players. The remaining players who will happen to still be here who believe in what he’s doing, coupled with the incoming players we have coming in will be able to get the culture shift started. I’m sure whatever internal issues may be going on, Archie will be the guy who says enough is enough and rid of anyone who may be a problem to the chemistry of the team...or who knows, there could be some guys who willingly want to be gone and not have to play for Archie and his style anymore. Also, I like your point about the possibility of Archie’s players assimilating to Crean’s players’ personalities. If this team was already built of all Archie players, I think we would see more toughness from this year’s freshman because it’s what they would have walked into and had to be. I can see it being that way than the other, because it’s a lot more likely that Crean’s players don’t want to have to take on the toughness Archie wants out of them. They signed up to come to IU with Crean to not have to be that way at all.

Saw an article that said “Archie’s teams at Dayton would have eaten this team for lunch, and then come back for another meal two hours later....Archie built a team and turned them into something mean. Something ferocious. The Hoosiers have a better roster than Dayton ever had but they’re not mean. They’re not ferocious.” I think this is spot on. I think Archie is trying to turn this roster he inherited into the mean ferocious basketball players he wants, and they aren’t responding. Most of them don’t want to have to do it. They aren’t playing with any fight at all and that’s not on Archie at all. Them being soft and scared is the LAST thing Archie would want in a basketball team. Only the players themselves can dictate their own effort and toughness on the floor, and unfortunately for Archie, I think they have given up and don’t want to buy what Archie is selling anymore. I completely understand the injury issues and lack of players, but that doesn’t excuse the poor effort and lack of toughness displayed by the players who ARE on the court. Also, I do realize that there are some of Archie’s guys on this team that don’t really exude the mean, ferociousness either.. It’s not my place to speculate, but I can see next years roster looking way different. I think at this point I’m wondering what type of news as gonna break about different things at seasons end that make you go “Ah, so that’s what was going on.”..and shed some light onto having an idea of what next year is actually going to look like. As far as this year, I’ll continue to root them on and hope for the best.