HoosierMatty

To be honest I forgot about Goode, but my general point still stands. How many years did we hear about how we would start shooting more 3's and get more shooters. DeVries hasn't just moved people around he's been running different things over the course of season. Ultimately time will tell if things work out. But I like what I've seen so far. Right now we are just limited by our personal.

One thing I really have to tip my hat to on coach DeVries is the fact he's willing to make changes as the season goes on. And in the instance with Alexis he's transparent about making a mistake. When was the last time you can remember a coach at IU make changes as the year goes on. They would just keep running the same stuff that doesn't work into the ground . Even in the recent press conference when talking about bringing back Connerway he said he's going to basically keep Dorn in the starting lineup and just work Tayton in where it makes sense. I know this seems like a low bar but it's just a nice change of pace after all the stubborn coaches we've had. If Woodson was the coach he would have immediately put him back in the starting line up.

Feels good to win against this team and hear Gard complaining about the fouls Enright committed against Boyd. I feel like hell has frozen. Think of all those close games we have lost to the team and refs have hosed us.

We are flawed a roster but we are getting better as the season goes on. It's been awhile since we have seen that. I think the system he runs is big improvement over years past. If just needs to make upgrades to the roster next year. If we get to tournament this year I think that's a good starting point.

Winning this kind of close game was all the more satisfying because this is the type of close games we always lose to Wisconsin. The kind that drive you insane and want to rip your hair out. I want those stupid cheese heads to feel that.

Most of us agree the jury is still out. The point of contention is the absurdity of this thread existing, it's practically parody. He hasn't even finished his first season yet. People rag on how insane and toxic our fanbase is. I don't agree with that assessment but this thread 100 percent plays into that stereotype.

I would also like to add the early shot clock 3 happens with lots of teams that have shooters that emphasize 3s. I'm not the biggest fan of it myself especially if they miss and it's a turnover, but I understand why it happens . Kids feel hot and it's an open look. And if you slow like TD where you're easily guarded you take deep half court 3s.

Ok fair critique. But should he be fired by the end of the season if he doesn't fix it? I am sympathetic to everyone's frustrations and impatience but I think the fire DeVries thread is way too early.

I think right now a lot of fanbases expectations get out of wack because of transfers and NIL and unreasonable comparisons to other programs. Look how Cignetti affected so many programs especially in the SEC. People fired their coaches because we set the world on fire and their mentality is well we are football schools so we should be able to exactly replicate that success and do exactly what they did in the same timeline. That's an insane way to look at things and your setting yourself up for failure if you have that expectation. Cignetti was a once and a lifetime special hire who had the right people around him, players and coaches that came with him at the right place that was the right fit for him. It's not unreasonable for those schools to expect success because of their history and their resources, but even if they make the right hire we can't expect the exact same circumstances or results to happen at same level of immediacy as others. Every program and situation is different and even if you reach the same results as the most successful you can't expect to arrive at the same date. I understand the frustration because we have been mediocre to bad for so long. I went to the Iowa game and it just felt awful. Your tired of losing to teams like this, especially when your losing to one of the guys we could have got. And the fact Michigan has Dusty. We are just tired of rebuilds and just want immediate results. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way all the time. I think Coach DeVries is a good coach. I don't know if he can get us to where we need to be, but it's obvious whether he does or does not we need to stop expecting it to happen under the same time line as other programs like Michigan. If he gets us to the tournament this year with this flawed squad I think that's progress we can build off. It's looks like we are still trending toward that and I have seen improvement in this team. I know patience is a word we hate right now but we need to have some.

Everything is a foul in this game

What's frustrating about this game is UCLA is not a very good team but they are bigger and more athletic. And the is the one the worst officiated games I've seen all year.

Let's also be clear that we still have problems with BOT members like Buckner and money people like Ferguson. Remember Dolson wasn't even allowed to make his own hire the first time around because people's personal vendettas and emotional attachments. They forced Woodson but stayed out of his way with Cignetti. When it became clear Woodson wasn't going to work they finally relented. I would argue since Sampsons firing, Woodson has possibly caused the most damage since he left. They forced us to have to eat one of our own, someone who should have never been considered by any sane AD. It further hurt our brand image and we missed our chances with better options and now these same people like Ferguson have closed their wallets because they butt hurt about it. They are 100 percent responsible for this.You guys broke everything the last 20 plus years take ownership. Now shut up get out of the way and just hand over the money if you actually care about this program. Just because you know how to make money and become rich doesn't mean you know the first thing about selecting a coach and running an athletic department

Glass was not a great AD by any means but I don't know if I would say he was the worst. It seems like the biggest issue is we had horrible presidents and board of trustees that has been our biggest problem. After Davis left it was Herbert that made Greenspan hire Sampson. Great coach but for ultimately a bad cultural fit. However I've heard things from Greenspan would have hired Beilen or Kevin Stallings if given his choice. So either a home run or a dumpster fire choice. I guess we will never know. Ultimately he was told to hire Crean after the Sampson debacle. The point I'm trying to make no matter how bad or good our AD's have been they have been micro managed by those far more incompetent.

This has been an ugly game. But I think we have been in control. I can't believe how bad UK is. If we can start knocking down more 3s we can put them away.

I agree. I think going into the first year of revenue share and not knowing how this clearing house stuff will shake out, it makes more sense being conservative with freshman. Right now it's clear portal players have more value. But, I'm not sure where the true value lays for freshman under this landscape. I think right now some of these numbers seem a bit high. And desperate schools like OSU with mediocre coaches are willing to pay. You can't out talent bad coaching. Woody proved that and we paid a lot of money with poor results.