Hoosierfan2017

Jordan would never pass the ball late in the game like LeBron did last night. Guys like Jordan always wanted to take the shot. Jordan never would've blown a lead like the Cavs did last night with everything on the line. Jordan made his teammates better and they never faltered down the stretch. The legend of Michael Jordan grows more and more every year. Lucky for him this happened in the 2nd round so it doesn't count or something like that.

Beats me, is it Lebron's fault when his teammates miss shots? He didn't make Kevin Love go 1-9 last night. He didn't make Kyrie Irving go 0-7 from 3 last night. He didn't make Tristan Thompson only grab 3 rebounds last night. Is he supposed to do all that for him? Jordan was a gambling addict that punched out his teammates and cheated on his wife but yes let's discuss how he conducted himself. Jordan is supposed to be this ultra competitor but he quit on his team during his prime. Wow. Imagine the scrutiny if LeBron had quit basketball during his prime.

1a and 1b right now with it being a toss up in who is where. I think LeBron will be ahead once he retires but until then it's hard to say. If he becomes the first player with 30,000 points, 10,000 rebounds and 10,000 assists I think that makes a pretty convincing argument for best overall player of all time.

Name some players that played with LeBron that played worse with him than without him. The notion that he makes his teammates worse is absurd and would get you laughed at by analysts. This team won 66 games in 2008-2009.

I don't think there's any shame in Jordan getting swept by those teams because the Celtics were extremely tough back then, and I don't think there's any shame in LeBron getting swept in the Finals either. He was rolling with Drew Gooden and Sasha Pavlovic against the Spurs jugarnaut in 2007 at age 22, and now he's going up against the super team to beat all super teams. If he came in, wet the bed and got swept then sure, let's have the conversation, but he's averaging a 30 point triple double. He's bringing it, he just doesn't have the fire power behind him to compete with the Warriors. I just brought up the question because if getting swept in the Finals twice disqualifies LeBron from any GOAT conversation then we should apply the same standard to Jordan and realize that he got swept in the first round twice.

Wait you didn't know that Jordan only played 6 years in the NBA and won the championship every one of them??

"But it's different because it's Jordan!" Lol. Ok. Continue the mental gymnastics to argue that getting swept in the Finals is worse than getting swept in the first round. The Detroit team he beat basically by himself to get to the finals was certainly not trash. Jordan never faced a team better than this year's Golden State team.

Does the greatest ever get swept twice in the First Round?

Lebron's biggest fault as a player is that he always wants to make the smart basketball play which leads to him trusting his teammates more than he should, imo. Kyle Korver is statistically one of the best 3 point shooters in league history, so passing to him late in the game last night was the smart basketball play, even though I'd rather lebron have shot it. Jordan's also the better scorer. Their career averages aren't much different, but Jordan has many more 40, 50, 60 point games. You can pencil LeBron in for 27/7/7 basically every night but he isn't a pure scorer like Jordan. He's also too unselfish. He's a tremendous passer, one of the best since Magic, but sometimes I wish he'd quit trying to get his teammates involved and just do it on his own. That's been my biggest complaint about his game throughout his career.

We need to get recruits on campus for the Duke game.

Wtf..

That's perfectly fine. If you take the two's bodies of work throughout their entire careers and conclude that Jordan was better then I can accept that. My post was related to the "Jordan has 6 rings so that's the end of the discussion" crowd. There's much more to it than that. Neither of us will change the other's opinion and that's fine, but I respect yours because you go past the rings and make an actual, detailed argument.

I've noticed that when Jordan fans say that he's the best they always either say "6 rings" or they point to things that can't be measured. "LeBron doesn't have a killer instinct like Jordan did." "LeBron doesn't have the clutch gene like Jordan did." They never want to look at the stats, they want to make up qualities that can't be measured and say that Jordan has them and LeBron doesn't. So, let's look at the stats. So many people act like rings are the end-all, be all, but I disagree. Too many variables go into winning rings to use that as the final barometer. Let's compare Jordan's stats to LeBron's. I'll take LeBron's stat-line from this year's playoffs and then take Jordan's best statistic in each category (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, field goal percentage and 3 point percentage) from his second three-peat and compare the two. LeBron: 32.4/8.8/7.6/2.0/1.4 on 56.3/41.5 percent shooting. Jordan: 32.4/7.9/4.8/1.8/0.9 on 46.2/40.3 percent shooting. LeBron is averaging the same number of points while shooting 10% higher from the field, grabbing more rebounds, dishing out more assists, making more steals, and blocking more shots. Keep in mind these are LeBron's stats from one playoffs while these are Jordan's best numbers from three separate playoffs. "Well, that's the playoffs, let's compare the two's numbers in the Finals. That's what matters." Okay, let's. LeBron's 2017 Finals: 32.0/12.3/10.3/1.3/1.3 on 55.4/38.9 percent shooting. Jordan's 1996 Finals: 27.3/5.3/4.2/1.7/0.2 on 41.5/31.6 percent shooting. Jordan's 1997 Finals: 32.3/7.0/6.9/1.2/0.8 on 45.6/32.0 percent shooting. Jordan's 1998 Finals: 33.5/4.0/2.3/1.8/0.7 on 42.7/30.8 percent shooting. For as much as Jordan's fans talk about him and his greatness I was really expecting better numbers. This notion that LeBron chokes in the Finals while Jordan excelled is utter nonsense. LeBron is playing better in defeat than Jordan did in victory. It's almost as if it takes more than one player to win a championship, which makes using championships as the deciding factor between two players deeply flawed. The point of my post isn't to argue that LeBron is better than Jordan, it's to argue that you can't simply point to the rings as an argument. There's much more to it than that.

Lol forgot about Lance. I like him but he's a goon. This is the kind of immature crap I'd expect from someone like him, not a two-time MVP, face of the franchise like Steph.

Steph Curry is the most disrespectful, childish player in the NBA. Zero class.

I missed the potshot that got him booted, any idea what it was?

I'm not even mad anymore. Even if they had won tonight they weren't going to win the series, Golden State is too good. Best team in NBA history, imo. There will people that'll be like " Lebron's 3-5 in the finals, he got swept in the Finals twice, he sucks" (while looking past Jordan getting swept in the first round twice) but no rational person will put this Finals on LeBron. He's averaging 32/12/10 on 55/39/74 shooting. He could average the first triple double in NBA finals history. He's doing everything he can but it just isn't enough. Oh well, it happens.

The Cavs got outscored by 12 points in the two minutes LeBron sat out smh.

I hate the "they don't play defense in the NBA" take. It couldn't be further from the truth.

They don't want us to be successful. *DJ Khaled voice*

That was pretty mild compared to what Draymond usually does and yet he gets a technical.

That was one of the weirdest plays I've seen. LeBron makes the shot off his pass and Kevin Love shoots the free throw.

It's do or die tonight. If LeBron doesn't take at least 30 shots tonight I'm going to be disappointed in him.

Lavar Ball just signed Austin Boucher to the Big Baller Brand.

If you really are just a former teacher and not a close relative it's kinda weird how much you're stumping for the kid. Those "hundreds and hundreds" of letters and protein shakes have translated to one scholarship offer, Ball State. Getting a D1 basketball scholarship is nothing to sneeze at but you're setting him up for disappointment by pumping all these delusions into his head. If you're Austin himself then this is just sad honestly.