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I’m not trying to be negative, just being honest, I hope we keep that game under 25.

These teams have numerous players the size of Davis, and theirs are far more athletic, and our backup 5 is 6’6”. Duke is going to smoke us.

The shooting is bad because this team doesn’t have great shooters. There are no Blackmon’s, Zeisloft’s, Yogi’s, etc. Sometimes it’s just talent. The only really good shooters are RoJo and Hartman, but RoJo is extremely streaky and Hartman hasn’t played.

True, but we usually beat them with 5 star players on our roster. Difference now I guess is, Archie is a better coach.

I actually think that if UCLA really was 2nd for Garland, then it minimizes this entire narrative that Garland and Langford really want to play together. Obviously playing together is a thought for them, or Langford wouldn't even have Vandy in his three, but UCLA being #2 for Garland tells me it's not as big a driver as we might think. It's an option, but not near the top of their lists of reasons to go to a school. It's a 'nice to have'.

I don't know, those expectations might come from one of the largest fan bases, some of the best facilities, a school that's on national tv as much as anyone, etc., etc. Drew is at Vanderbilt, not exactly the same thing.

I'm just saying embargoing a story is a legit thing in the PR world, and there's a process to it. ESPN clearly broke the process/promise.

Leaking a story and embargoing a story are not the same thing. An embargoed story is when you contact an outlet/reporter, tell them you have a big story and if they cover it you'll give them the exclusive interview/quotes/inside story, etc. The release time is agreed upon, etc. It is a big deal to break an embargo.

Vandy will not be a championship team next season. If that's driving his decision then Kansas would probably be the choice.

There is a thing in the PR world called "embargoing a story". Essentially you bring a story to major outlet ahead of time, give all the details and quotes, and in exchange for selecting them for the exclusive story to run with first, they agree to hold it until the time of your choosing. It's actually a pretty big deal in the PR world for a reporter to break an embargoed story ahead of time.

While today is disappointing, this is why we should be excited about Archie.Not to look backwards, but Crean would have had no backup plan at the point and we would have ended up with some recruit ranked 280 from Louisiana after missing on Garland. Archie not only has a backup plan, but he's already signed/sealed, and he's a highly ranked in-state kid.

Looks like they gave embargoed quotes to each of the major outlets, just that ESPN chose to ignore the request. Daniels is basically pandering to future recruits with that tweet though. Saying, "you can trust me with your news".

No he doesn't, but I also don't think a freshmen class of Garland, Shittu and Romeo necessarily puts Vandy in the national title hunt either. It's an amazing class, but not like they'd be joining a powerhouse program full of other talent.

I don't think there is anything shady about Garland going to the hometown team. I wish he was coming to IU, but I get it. But, if Drew somehow lands Romeo and Shittu as well, I mean come on, that's a UK/Duke level class at Vanderbilt?!?! Either Garland is the greatest salesmen EVER, or something shady is going on with Vandy/Drew. Not sour grapes, again I totally get Garland wanting to stay home, and he seems like a great kid who handled his recruitment really well. No issue with him picking Vandy.

Completely agree. He’s going to have a lot of ups and downs this year. Who knows how it will play out. But I could see him being a guy that potentially butts heads with Archie a bit, but if they both stick with it, I could see it being one of those things where it all comes together for him as a senior. He’s got the skill and athleticism, it’s a matter of his b-ball IQ and attitude.

I agree on not liking a 3-guard lineup, that’s partly what got Crean in so much trouble over the years, but with this roster and some of the injuries, that’s where we’re at. RoJo is not a point guard, he’s terrible in that role, not nearly a good enough ball handler and not athletic enough. If it was me, I’d be grooming Green to be the point guard. Things just happen when he’s involved. Ever in limited play last year, when things would Grindr to a halt, he’d come in and make things happen, and we have to remember he’s still a really young player. Again, assuming an improvement in experience and maturity (limiting some of the crazy passes and sometimes trying to do too much) I think he’s our best option as a point guard.

No bashing, it’s a good discussion. Im curious who you would rather develop? By develop, I’m assuming you mean the underclassmen guards? So it’s between Green, CuJo and Al. There’s certainly room for two of those three to play big minutes, along with RoJo and Newkirk. Out of the guards I think CuJo is clearly the odd man out, I also really like Al, but don’t think he’s a point guard at all. We can certainly agree to disagree, but if I’m Archie of the current guards I’m probably investing the most time in Green. IMO he’s got the highest ceiling. With that said, this team desperately needs an upgrade at guard. Our guards are not good as a group.

I’m not really following what you mean by “being the man”? He took one bad shot and had one bad turnover, otherwise his biggest issue tonight was foul trouble. He the best post passer on the team, he’s our most athletic and explosive guard, and often looks to pass on the drive. Hes a sophomore who didn’t play much as a freshmen, he just needs experience. I think with some maturity and experience, he’s our best guard. I’m not sure if you’re trying to say he’s selfish, but I don’t see that.

I think that’s a good thing, at least with the current roster. I don’t see anyone else trying to take control and lead.

I think you’re being too hard on Green. He had some maturity issues in dealing with fouls and getting yanked, but he also is our best post passer by far (he got the ball to DD a ton), and he brings some speed and athleticism at the guard spot that we really lack with Newkirk and RoJo. I think that with experience and maturity he maybe should be the lead guard. Definitely has to clean some things up though.

This kid has a chance to be a really good player. The key will be improving the talent around him. Since he’s more of a scrapper/hustler/tough type of player, I’d think he could really thrive when surrounded by really skilled guy, just not the case yet though.

It’s a running joke on TOS.

It doesn’t take 3 years for every individual player to learn Archie’s system, it takes 3 years to implement it into a new program from scratch.

It’s literally been 1 game. I get the whole “bench guys for poor play” thing, I really do, and I know we’re all frustrated for nine years of Crean, but as a new coach you don’t bench two seniors 30 minutes into your tenure. Like it or not, you’re going to need those guys and you risk losing them before you’re even started. This is coming from someone who thinks RoJo is one of the more disappointing players in recent IU memory, so I’m definitely not trying to make excuses for him.

Agree completely, which is what makes next years class (even if there aren’t any additions) so exciting, they seem like Archie kind of guys. With all that said, I think Archie will figure this team out to an extent. What that means I’m not sure, but he’s too good a coach. The season won’t be a complete disaster.