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Hear you. Definitely agree the crimes are not comparable, and certainly was not trying to draw that comparison. Jadlow's past certainly makes it sensible to question his credibility. But I also don't expect many who played for Knight to speak out against him, as he was a father figure to many. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

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Yeah you missed the point of my comparison. The comparison was when winning blinds fans and administration to a coach breaking the rules. You see how PSU still celebrates Paterno, and it's similar here where seemingly no matter what, people will defend Knight. The idolization of these coaches creates an atmosphere where they were somewhat above the law. Also, I'm not saying that all of Jadlow's claims are factual, but you see how quick people are to dismiss it? In order to defend Knight we have to try to discredit Jadlow. Other players have also supported plenty of claims of inappropriate behavior by Knight in the past. I would hope people weren't so quick to dismiss claims against Knight based on existing facts. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Sports fans turning a blind eye and defending a coach's inappropriate behavior because he was winning? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Yeah man, that gridiron is a real battle field. Wish my coach was more abusive; I may have been a better athlete! You weren't going into battle. Awful comparison, especially considering we have veterans as members of this board. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

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Will freely admit that I am excited by the chance to witness what true heartbreak looks like if the Cubs lose this series. I wish I were a better man, but I am not.

In the book Jadlow also still called Knight a father figure and said that he loved and respected him. He still also said those things happened, and it's up to everyone else to form their own opinions of Knight.

Certainly. His allegations are aligned with many other allegations against Knight and actions taken by Knight supported by concrete evidence. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I've only brought up the alleged physical and sexual assault. The other stuff is childish and demonstrative of a weak, vengeful man who doesn't know how to express his disappointment in a way that a respectable and mature leader should. That's high school locker room crap. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Interestingly enough, Steve Alford went on record in the article and said all of these allegations are false. Not the first time he's turned a blind eye... http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/31/bernstein-ucla-hired-a-scumbag/#.UViRQ9zW1h0.twitter

Top story on ESPN NCAAM page. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17889786/former-indiana-hoosiers-basketball-player-todd-jadlow-alleges-abuse-coach-bob-knight-memoir Things may get interesting. Someone is eventually going to decide to start digging in to these allegations.

Well... perfect example... Joe Paterno and Penn State. He wasn't the only one who knew what was happenign, but they were winning and no one was about to blow the whistle and sink their elite program which was generating tens of millions of dollars for their school. Does that mean that people shouldn't one day realize that they were wrong and fix the situation? People make take that exact course of action every single day. Like you said, you can't only find your morals when things stop going well, but that's often times how it plays out. Doesn't make the people shouting about morals any better.

It's almost like maybe these players knew that Coach Knight was tough, maybe yelled a bit, threw some tantrums, but they respected him because he was one of the best basketball coaches in the world, and dammit, he wanted you to play for him. Then you got to campus and maybe realized some of his actions were a little more extreme then expected, but you assume maybe he was just in a bad mood; it won't happen again. Then it gets worse, but you still respect him because he's been looking after you and you're winning and becoming a better player, so you stick it out and don't say anything. Literally the plot of every domestic abuse case in America. The idea of anyone consenting to the alleged actions is difficult to imagine. I can't get behind someone who would treat others humans that way.

Adults consenting to being choked and allegedly sexually assaulted in order to be better basketball players? We aren't going to see eye to eye, but a superior using physical and verbal abuse to motivate those below him is the basis for a lot of really terrible crimes. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

The comparison was Bob Knight to Joe Paterno, not Sandusky. I understand your point though. I'll still argue that all of the acts RMK allegedly committed still could easily amount to felony assault charges. Different philosophies on life, I guess. Machiavellian "the end justifies the means" versus a moral approach. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Sounds like he grabbed players by the balls which is sexual assault though, if the allegations are true. Not exactly an act I'd chose to stand behind because it "toughened up" the players. The comparison was a fan base choosing to turn a blind eye to moral wrongdoings in support of winning. The "as long as we win" attitude in college athletics is a dangerous one. See Penn State, UNC, Baylor, etc. You can be offended by the comparison, and I'd expect anyone who grew up watching RMK coach to have a bias. Doesn't really make any of the crap he pulled ok, in my opinion. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

We better keep this guy. What a great hire.

Going with 26-5, with big wins against ALL THREE in the Kansas, UNC, and Louisville gauntlet. Overly optimistic, with the more likely outcome that we drop the Kansas game, but I feel we have both the team and home court advantage needed to take down UNC Louisville and surprise some in the college basketball world. I think Michigan State won't be able to handle our front court so we take them, we split with a talented/experienced Wisconsin squad, outwork Purdue with more athletic bigs and guards and take both games, and Crean continues his dominance of Beilein (B1G Tournament excluded). As for our losses, The Crossroads Classic continues to be a pain in the ass, Peter Jok lights us up in Carver, Trimble outshines our PG play, and OSU ends our season on a sour note again. Once again, I'm a big time optimist, and this is what I think we are capable of, but consistency and execution will be the determining factors. Nov 1* 7:00 pm Hope College W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Nov 5* 7:00 pm Bellarmine W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Non-conference regular season Nov 11* 9:00 pm, ESPN vs. Kansas Armed Forces Classic W – – – Stan Sheriff Center Honolulu, HI Nov 16* 7:00 pm, BTN UMass Lowell Indiana Classic W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Nov 19* 7:00 pm Liberty Indiana Classic W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Nov 22* 9:00 pm, BTN at IPFW Indiana Classic W – – – Allen County War Memorial Coliseum Fort Wayne, IN Nov 27* 4:00 pm, ESPN3 Mississippi Valley State Indiana Classic W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Nov 30* 9:00 pm, ESPN North Carolina ACC–Big Ten Challenge W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Dec 2* 7:00 pm, ESPN3 SIU Edwardsville W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Dec 4* 6:00 pm, ESPNU Southeast Missouri State W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Dec 10* 4:00 pm, BTN Houston Baptist W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Dec 17* 5:00 pm, BTN vs. Butler Crossroads Classic L – – – Bankers Life Fieldhouse Indianapolis, IN Dec 19* 8:00 pm, BTN Delaware State W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Dec 22* 7:00 pm Austin Peay W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Big Ten regular season Dec 28 7:00 pm, BTN Nebraska W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Dec 31* 12:30 pm, CBS vs. Louisville W – – – Bankers Life Fieldhouse Indianapolis, IN Jan 3 7:00 pm, ESPN Wisconsin W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Jan 7 5:00 pm, ESPNU Illinois Rivalry W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Jan 10 5:00 pm, ESPN/ESPN2 at Maryland L – – – Xfinity Center College Park, MD Jan 15 BTN Rutgers W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Jan 18 7:00 pm, BTN at Penn State L – – – Bryce Jordan Center University Park, PA Jan 21 ESPN/ESPN2 Michigan State W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Jan 26 9:00 pm, ESPN2 at Michigan W – – – Crisler Center Ann Arbor, MI Jan 29 6:30 pm, BTN at Northwestern W – – – Welsh-Ryan Arena Evanston, IL Feb 1 6:30 pm, BTN Penn State W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Feb 5 1:00 pm, CBS at Wisconsin L – – – Kohl Center Madison, WI Feb 9 7:00 pm, ESPN2 Purdue Rivalry/Crimson and Gold Cup W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Feb 12 1:00 pm, CBS Michigan W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Feb 15 9:00 pm, BTN at Minnesota W – – – Williams Arena Minneapolis, MN Feb 21 9:00 pm, ESPN/ESPN2 at Iowa L – – – Carver-Hawkeye Arena Iowa City, IA Feb 25/26 Northwestern W – – – Assembly Hall Bloomington, IN Feb 28 7:00 pm, ESPN at Purdue Rivalry/Crimson and Gold Cup W – – – Mackey Arena West Lafayette, IN Mar 4 12:00 pm, ESPN/ESPN2 at Ohio State L – – – Value City Arena Columbus, OH

I could spend hours showing you examples of people from your generation who were weak simpletons, and examples of people in my generation who are as strong as anyone in history, but you could do the exact same thing. It's all hubris. Social media allows everyone to have a louder voice, thus you hear more of the "weak" voices. Coincidentally, it's Bob Knight's birthday. Happy birthday! Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I get pushing people to the edge of their physical abilities. Running sprints for hours because you played like **** makes sense. Squeezing players balls is sexual assault. I really hate the kids nowadays are soft comments. Maybe it's true. But maybe we are creating a world where we try to lift everyone up instead of tearing them down to see how they can contribute to society. The need for the deconstruction of people through physical and emotional hardship makes sense in a militant environment where everyday could become a life or death situation and the objective of the training is to kill the enemy. In sports that same mentality can be applied, but there are lines. RMK seemed to fail to understand where those lines were. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I wasn't an IU fan (too young without Indiana ties) during Knights tenure. As a third party, it always surprises me how much people defend him. He's the kind of figure I'd want to distance myself from. That old guard, "by any means necessary" type figure. It's really sad to watch, just like it's sad to watch PSU fans defend Joe Patterno. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Whatever you do, do not go back and read this thread. If Newkirk plays even remotely well, as his practice and HH performances are hinting towards, we may put crows on the endangered species list trying to feed this board.

Maybe his focus. $550K is a solid motivator Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Really great for Troy. Hope he keeps up his production coming off the bench with limited minutes. Will be cool to see what new dunks he learns playing with Vince Carter Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app