2023 College World Series

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,881]

 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

47 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

 

Which is wild to me... INST is a host. If they host, we should be in that regional, pretty clearly. 

[Aaron 4,294]

8 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Which is wild to me... INST is a host. If they host, we should be in that regional, pretty clearly. 

Not necessarily. Tennessee cannot go to Kentucky or Vandy since they are in the same conference. This makes the Vols closest to either Terre Haute or somewhere in the Carolina's or Virginia's where there will be tons of southern teams competing for those spots. The committee could very easily Send UT to ISU and IU to UK so each team gets someone close by or it is equally possible they send IU to Terre Haute and stick the Wildcats with a random team farther away.

Either scenario is very plausible but IU is a near lock to go to Terre Haute or Lexington if both host. If it is just Kentucky, than things get more interesting and IU could go to Nashville or farther (ISU can't go to Vandy since they are not allowed to go to same regional three times in a row) depending on if the committee decides to put the Hoosiers or Sycamores in Lexington. There are arguments for either for different reasons. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

20 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Not necessarily. Tennessee cannot go to Kentucky or Vandy since they are in the same conference. This makes the Vols closest to either Terre Haute or somewhere in the Carolina's or Virginia's where there will be tons of southern teams competing for those spots. The committee could very easily Send UT to ISU and IU to UK so each team gets someone close by or it is equally possible they send IU to Terre Haute and stick the Wildcats with a random team farther away.

Either scenario is very plausible but IU is a near lock to go to Terre Haute or Lexington if both host. If it is just Kentucky, than things get more interesting and IU could go to Nashville or farther (ISU can't go to Vandy since they are not allowed to go to same regional three times in a row) depending on if the committee decides to put the Hoosiers or Sycamores in Lexington. There are arguments for either for different reasons. 

Tennessee could go to about hundred schools that are hosting in the Carolinas. 

And then send one of the Carolina to KY. If we are doing by "making sense".. I don't see any other way. If the idea is to get as many Southern teams to the 2nd weekend, then yeah, they might send UT to INST and IU to UK. 

But Indiana being 1hr from Terre Haute and not being sent to that regional would be a historic f up by the committee.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

If Tennessee wins 2/3, this weekend against So Carolina, I think they're hosting anyways. 

[Aaron 4,294]

14 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Tennessee could go to about hundred schools that are hosting in the Carolinas. 

And then send one of the Carolina to KY. If we are doing by "making sense".. I don't see any other way. If the idea is to get as many Southern teams to the 2nd weekend, then yeah, they might send UT to INST and IU to UK. 

But Indiana being 1hr from Terre Haute and not being sent to that regional would be a historic f up by the committee.

You also have to understand $$$ are at play. Since both would be in a 2-3 game NCAA wants to sell as many tickets as possible to that first game since they will be in separate sessions on Friday likely from the host. IU fans will still travel to Lexington and Vol fans will travel to Terre Haute. If you send some random team to Kentucky you are looking at a friends and family crowd in that first game. If you send IU there you are likely to sell 1,000 tickets to that first game in Lexington and 1,000 in Terre Haute to Vols fans. IU sold 1,000 tickets on their own to first game in 2019 so I would think a similar number would go to either place. 

Now if Louisville had been a two in Lexington and not collapsed then IU to Terre Haute and UT to Appalachia would be obvious (there fans will travel anywhere). If It is Indiana vs. Louisville in a 2-3 in Lexington, while not beneficial to IU, would make NCAA salivate and sell out Proud Park for all games. 

If Vols do host (which there is a chance) than yes IU would likely go to Terre Haute. In that bracket Matt posted though sending UT or IU to Terre Haute is equally plausible and 50-50 for either there or Lexington. If UT not placed there due to hosting or going Appalachia it goes up to like 90% for Terre Haute.   

Also just to be clear NCAA and Hosts split some percentage of the revenue so the committee is absolutely looking at who makes most $$$ when placing teams.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

47 minutes ago, Aaron said:

You also have to understand $$$ are at play. Since both would be in a 2-3 game NCAA wants to sell as many tickets as possible to that first game since they will be in separate sessions on Friday likely from the host. IU fans will still travel to Lexington and Vol fans will travel to Terre Haute. If you send some random team to Kentucky you are looking at a friends and family crowd in that first game. If you send IU there you are likely to sell 1,000 tickets to that first game in Lexington and 1,000 in Terre Haute to Vols fans. IU sold 1,000 tickets on their own to first game in 2019 so I would think a similar number would go to either place. 

Now if Louisville had been a two in Lexington and not collapsed then IU to Terre Haute and UT to Appalachia would be obvious (there fans will travel anywhere). If It is Indiana vs. Louisville in a 2-3 in Lexington, while not beneficial to IU, would make NCAA salivate and sell out Proud Park for all games. 

If Vols do host (which there is a chance) than yes IU would likely go to Terre Haute. In that bracket Matt posted though sending UT or IU to Terre Haute is equally plausible and 50-50 for either there or Lexington. If UT not placed there due to hosting or going Appalachia it goes up to like 90% for Terre Haute.   

Also just to be clear NCAA and Hosts split some percentage of the revenue so the committee is absolutely looking at who makes most $$$ when placing teams.

Campbell is not random and would bring a massive crowd. Same with UNC, and a host of other NC schools. IU to Terre Haute would bring a massive crowd, and as mentioned UNC/Campbell would bring just as many to UK. 

And I agree, it's equally possible... but that doesn't make it right or the way they've gone about doing this the entire time. INST, IU, ND, and Kent St is the correct regional, thus far. Tennessee to Coastal or somewhere, Vols fans would show up in waves to get sent to the coast. Tennessee to INST wouldn't bring half the money as Tennessee to ANYWHERE else. Vols fans won't be happy about spending a weekend in the Haute. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

The smallest crowd the NCAA could drum for Tennessee is to send them west of anywhere.... or north...

Virginia, Coastal, Wake Forest, or ECU is where Tennessee should be sent if the NCAA wants to make money. Vols fans will be pissed to be in Terre Haute, whereas Indiana fans would be ecstatic to be in-state that weekend. I for sure agree Indiana would do well in Lexington, and it'd be a great spot for us... it just doesn't make sense when you have INST as a host, as well. 

Iowa+ND at the 2/3 would make a lot of sense for Terre Haute, as well.... more than Tennessee or any school from the south. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,881]

https://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/article/2023-05-04/2023-ncaa-baseball-bracket-mens-college-world-series-scores-schedule

Key dates:

• Selection show: Monday, May 29 — airs at noon ET on ESPN2
• Regionals: Friday-Monday, June 2-5
• Super regionals: Friday-Sunday, June 9-11 or Saturday-Monday, June 10-12
• First day of MCWS games: Start Friday, June 16
• MCWS finals: Saturday-Monday, June 24-26
• Final championship game: Monday, June 26

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

I almost enjoy the college baseball opening weekend of the post season as much as I enjoy the basketball march madness one, no lie. 

Better weather, I grill out, get the garage TV going, and dogs get to be outside. Good times. and A LOT of baseball. 

192 games in the first three days. 

 

[Aaron 4,294]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Campbell is not random and would bring a massive crowd. Same with UNC, and a host of other NC schools. IU to Terre Haute would bring a massive crowd, and as mentioned UNC/Campbell would bring just as many to UK. 

And I agree, it's equally possible... but that doesn't make it right or the way they've gone about doing this the entire time. INST, IU, ND, and Kent St is the correct regional, thus far. Tennessee to Coastal or somewhere, Vols fans would show up in waves to get sent to the coast. Tennessee to INST wouldn't bring half the money as Tennessee to ANYWHERE else. Vols fans won't be happy about spending a weekend in the Haute. 

Caveat with Notre Dame. All these brackets were made prior to last night when ND face planted against Northwestern. They are in danger of not making tournament at all now.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

19 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Caveat with Notre Dame. All these brackets were made prior to last night when ND face planted against Northwestern. They are in danger of not making tournament at all now.

I meant to ask you, the tournament is still free, correct? 

[Hovadipo 56,398]

3 hours ago, btownqb said:

Which is wild to me... INST is a host. If they host, we should be in that regional, pretty clearly. 

Is ISU for sure hosting? 

I ask because 1) I don't follow at all and don't know anything, but 2) would absoLUTEly attend some regional games in the Haute.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,195]

@Hovadipo not auto-hosting, like some.. but for sure could. 

https://d1baseball.com/projections/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-17/

 

[Aaron 4,294]

6 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Is ISU for sure hosting? 

I ask because 1) I don't follow at all and don't know anything, but 2) would absoLUTEly attend some regional games in the Haute.

Nope. ISU is very much on the bubble of hosting. UK and Vandy are near locks to play at home but if it is just these two hosting nearby things get complicated. This is because ISU cannot go to Nashville for the third straight time per rules and Tennessee cannot go to a fellow SEC school.

Most likely it will be one of the following.

ISU, UK, Vandy all host: 

1. IU to Terre Haute, Tennessee to Carolina's or Virginia's, Lexington and Nashville get a random non-sec team in south

2. IU to Lexington, Tennessee to Terre Haute, some random non-sec team to Nashville.

Only UK and Vandy host:

1. ISU to Lexington, Tennessee to Carolina's or Virginia's, IU to Nashville or somewhere farther in Carolina's or Virginia's.

2. IU to Lexington, Tennessee  and ISU to Carolina's or Virginia's, Nashville get a random non-sec team in south.

NCAA can do whatever they want, but assuming IU gets a two seed it is very likely to be one of the  above scenario's.       

[Aaron 4,294]

45 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I meant to ask you, the tournament is still free, correct? 

I don't think so. Under new deal this year, ESPN gets all postseason NCAA Tourney events and they can put them on any platform they choose. If that is ESPN+ I think you have to buy a subscription for one month which is less than $10. 

Under old deal through 2021 all postseason games were free but I am pretty sure that changed with new ESPN deal that was just signed giving the network exclusive access to every postseason events. 

If broadcast is "ESPN3" than it is free with a cable subscription (including streaming services like YouTubeTV ETC.). However anything on "ESPN+" would have to be bought separately with a one month subscription. Not sure which platforms they choose and we won't know until bracket out. Either way nothing is completely free anymore with this new deal.  

[Aaron 4,294]

6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Yes to everything, but IU could get sent to Vandy, as well. 

Correct. That is IU to Nashville in first scenario if only UK and Vandy host. They won't go farther than Lexington or Terre Haute if both Kentucky and Indiana St host with how they do regions. Nashville only comes into play if Sycamores do not host.

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