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Compete for a B10 championship and make the 2nd weekend of the tournament. From there, anything can happen. Missing the tournament altogether should be an automatic termination. Underachieving throughout the regular season and losing in R1 as an 8-12 seed and I'd probably agree that it's time to move on.

That dude wasn’t alive to have seen Knight coach.

Archie had good players and never made the tournament. Woodson did better with Archie's players than Archie himself.

It's still about the Jimmies and Joes. This will be by far and away Woodson's deepest and most talented team.

I was more so alluding to the ridiculous assertion made by HF20017 that IU didn't enter into the gray area and that Archie was bad only because his hands were tied. Utter nonsense.

Archie was literally spoon fed a top 5 recruit who was bought, paid, and steered to IU by Adidas. What gray area are you talking about?

No he was a Kenya Hunter guy who committed to IU (and sat out) while Archie was still coaching here.

Woodson won more with Archie's players than Archie did himself.

I think landing two bigs who exhaust their eligibility after this season paves the way for immediate playing time to somebody like Malachi Moreno. Staff should be all-in on him and Mullins this summer.

Or.... He only targets freshman that he believes can contribute from day 1 and uses the portal otherwise to land players who are seasoned and don't need 2-3 years to develop. The portal and NIL has completely changed the landscape of college basketball and the dynamics in recruiting and the philosophy on how it is approached.

He’s been the coach for 3 seasons lol. What’s the acceptable benchmark through 3 seasons in order to be retained? Don’t answer that because whatever it is, is a major reason why so many people laugh at this fan base.

Google search yielded that link in less than a second. Accessible calculator on any standard smart phone and being able to compute simple math another 10-15 seconds. I spent more time replying to this post now that I think about it and even more time trying to rationalize your initial post. Come to think about it, you’re not worth the time.

There’s been a little over 13 million points scored in ~132,000 career NBA games. That 103 ppg team average/15 man roster means the “average” NBA player averages 6.8 points a game. Woodson doubled that. Find something else to argue about, this ain’t it. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-points-have-been-scored-in-nba-history

So if you aren’t a franchise type player you’re simply mediocre/ok? Am I reading that right? And anything basketball related doesn’t carry weight?

If you’re comparing Woodson to guys like Magic, Bird, and Isaiah, the 3 players who dominated that era, then sure, he was mediocre. You could say that about 98% of the players in that era. But if you’re comparing Woodson to the ~5,000 guys who have donned an NBA jersey over history, there’s 10x as many guys who have enjoyed a cup of coffee compared to a guy who was a full-time starter for 50% of his decade plus tenure, I think you’re simply grasping at straws.

Not offended in the least. Just taken back by such a ridiculous assertion, especially coming from someone who LITERALLY never saw him play. It’s like saying Len Dawson is mediocre because he threw for less yards than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

A quality contributor. If you never saw him play, best not to comment. Same goes for his coaching career. Based on your age, there’s a good chance you have little recollection. Took over an aging Hawks team who completely gutted its roster. Improved the teams record every single year and made the playoffs 3 consecutive seasons. Hawks hadn’t made the playoffs in any of the five seasons prior to him being hired. Woodson won 54 games with the Knicks during the 2012-2013 season, they haven’t won that many games since. Knicks hired Phil Jackson in the middle of Woodson’s tenure and he wanted a coach familiar with his triangle offense. Enter Derek Fisher who didn’t last two seasons. In fact, NY had 3 different coaches (and two interims) over the course of the next 6 seasons….none sniffed a winning record.

Imagine playing a decade plus and scoring over 10,000 points and being labeled mediocre. How on Earth do you come to that conclusion? The average shelf life of the nearly 5,000 players to play in the NBA is a mere 4 seasons.

All but one team ends their season with a loss. To characterize his 3 years as an “epic failure” isn’t based in reality. Last year was a disappointment all things considered. Could have stopped there, you wouldn’t have found many disagreements.

Right, I said that. Calling him an “epic failure three years into his tenure…..isn’t accurate in any realm.

Disappointing season? Sure. Epic failure” not even close. IU was picked to finish anywhere between 7th-9th in the conference. Behind all those “stars” was a relatively young roster that was extremely flawed. Those “stars” were a true freshman and two sophomores who were bench/role players the year prior. Our stars played fine, it was the lack of talent/depth around them. That issue has been addressed and fixed. Payne was an epic failure. As was Patrick Ewing at Georgetown and Chris Mullin at St. John’s. Same could be said for Archie Miller. Mike Woodson having a singular disappointing season doesn’t cross that threshold…at least not yet. Sorry for interrupting your whine fest. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Epic failure? Hyperbole much?

We already have a serviceable (actually more than serviceable) backup 5 on the roster who can play 10-15 mpg. His name is Malik Reneau. Yes we need another big as an insurance policy (that's where someone like Hatton comes into play) in case someone like Ballo (or Reneau) gets hurt, but the reality is that Ballo and Reneau are going to commandeer the majority of the minutes at the 5 spot with the way the roster is set up.

You're more than welcome to attribute those comments however you please.

You can set your own benchmarks and expectations my guy. You don't need our approval. I'm sure whatever they are, you will ultimately move the goal posts just like you have this entire thread.