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His getting selected to the 5v5 shows a level of potential draft interest.

I certainly do not think you have belittled or denied Galloway's value, and agree with Stu it's more that you and 2017 just don't think he'll be as good -- without a jumper -- as others such as Bates will be. But I do think you're discounting the contributions he has shown he brings on both ends (especially defensively) while overvaluing the need for him to shoot from deep. He'd be better all-around for sure if he could hit well from deep. But his contribution to wins, when healthy, is beyond clear, and has already been covered in this thread. He plays similar to another point, when he's on the floor the ball moves better, we score more effectively, and the overall D is clearly better. A few stats to add to the mix -- Assists per 100 Poss: he was 3rd on team at 5.1 (excluding Lander and Leal who barely played) the other 2 are X and Rob - so he assisted behind the two points. Steals per 100 Poss: he was 1st (excluding Duncomb). His D including lane reads is strong. FG% 4th (excluding Childress and Duncomb). Behind only TJD, Race and JG. Points per 100 Poss: 6th (excluding Duncomb, Lander, Childress) Win shares: 7th On the other hand, the stats also show areas he needs to improve on, beyond 3-point shooting, including Boards per 100 - last on team. That's kind of surprising to me but it's accurate. TO's per 100 - 3.8, 3rd highest on team (excluding the usuals). Like JG, he has to improve his handle. FT 65% - that's a real need https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana/2022.html

^^ I think Trey's positive impact on both sides of the ball and to the team's competitiveness is clear. How many minutes he gets next year is to an extent up in the air with the incoming guys and developing impact of JG etc. but I can't see any conceivable way he's playing less than 18-22 barring injury, he makes the team better. Adding a decent jumper, and again I really don't think it needs to be from the arc, would increase his impact and imo would make him a genuinely dynamic player -- and kind of like early Troy, getting his drives from the wing/baseline under control would also bring a new level to his game. I'd bet on at least the latter this season, he is a hell of a player and you have to love his fire.

I’d personally like to see him work more on a Derozan - type game. He shot like 19 percent from deep so far. I’m always for development but that’s a big gap to fill and he has that twitch to his shot that he’ll need to re-work out of his form and that adds difficulty. But as quick as he is with the ball he can get to spots fast, think an elbow jumper, a bank shot, floater, and sideline shot would be better to focus on for his game - jmo

Good writeup. If he were a pg he could get away with not developing his shot. There are a few guys out there who are so good defensively and bring that toughness and ability to score in transition and at the rim that shooting from the wing isn’t necessary to their games but they’re so much the exception. Trey helps the team despite his shooting, we’re better with him on the floor, but man if he can just develop a serviceable jumper, even a good 2-pointer, his impact would soar.

So Tom Crean may be 'wierd' (lol, yeah), but he is an all-around classy guy / former coach. And here, he's about as dead on right as it gets. Nice to see

Sort of. As Race came in after reclassifying he was young and his body was nowhere near ready for B1G basketball. The pics of him when he committed vs. the next summer are pretty telling. He was definitely a good redshirt candidate, and it clearly worked out well, he emerged his junior year -- besides the redshirt aspect, it's a strong example of why helping players develop and continuing to invest in them, instead of giving up on them and/or belittling them after their frosh season, is worthwhile. I get really tired of reading people's negative throw-away comments on players during and after their frosh seasons, when the signs of how they could develop are all there.

Yeah people forget Race re-classed and then redshirted

In the NBA the "3" and "2" are effectively the same position just on opposite sides of the floor. College ball has been moving in that direction, along with the whole 'positionless' ball concept which is to bring in more versatile, mobile players who can cross-play, play outside, handle the ball some, shoot, and score inside.

If TJD could even show consistent mid-range / elbow shooting he’d be an easy first rounder. Don’t see him being drafted now, but whether another year at IU or the G League or overseas makes the best sense for him is his own personal decision. Still, regardless of what this guy says or the outlook generally on seniors getting drafted, he could def come back and show steady shooting and seriously boost his shot at an NBA career, but that would require him to show shooting and step outside his comfort zone to do so

Couldn't agree more with this assessment and like the Franklin comparison from frosh to soph. Bates is flat out more talented than Franklin, and you don't go 40% in your junior and senior years of HS ball and not be able to transition to good shooting in college. Do think he'll get there, he has boatloads of talent.

I tend to agree though with the add that Geronimo's continuing growth / maximizing his potential is at least equally important, he's a beast. Bates has the ability to make a big time jump, and brings a much more diverse game than Kopp. I remain hopeful / optimistic on Galloway, who brings that improve-everyone-around-him game, we do tend to play better as a team and the ball moves better when he's on the floor -- but he also needs to improve his out-of-control baseline drives and his shooting. - Also, in some ways the Galloway / Geronimo discussion reminds me of the old Sheehey / Vic discussions. Galloway has a lot (imo) of Sheehey in his game, the guy other teams don't like/don't want defending them.

That and Langford suffered that hand injury. We'll never know just how good he could have been for IU without that injury, but yeah, that team he joined was flawed

Great addition, great to see him back with the program

How I see it as well. Can't really speak to/think about rankings this early, and not trying to get my own expectations too high given that there are still unknowns and we were a fair stretch away from being a top B1G team last season, but the moves made so far are setting us up well for having a more dynamic offensive team while retaining the top-of-B1G D. We're not going to see a starting lineup with Kopp-Stew. We have a legit 5-star incoming combo/point-guard who already has a college body/strength. We have guys in JG and Bates who look very much poised to have big jumps in their games, and both bring strong 2-way play. Bates just scratched the surface, he could be really, really good this coming season. JG will be a 20-minute plus contributor now and will bring, minimally, top flight rebounding and blocks, front-court D and added scoring, and, at least possibly, increased outside shooting and more athletic perimeter D. Galloway as a junior is going to be nightmare, imo, for opposing scorers. We have the potential for a high level p&r game. We're going to be better if TJD returns, hard to tell yet how we'll be if he doesn't, those would be big shoes to fill, but there's still a lot of firepower on this team with its new additions.

I think we have a legit possibility of better outside shooting from guys on the team. Bates was a frosh, he’s a good shooter and think he’ll show it as a soph. JG has a good outside stroke, would bet on improvement over his 31 percent with more looks. Race grew his shooting towards the end of season.i’m not sure TG will develop a consistent outside shot but if he puts the hand-wrist injuries behind him it should be better. And if we’re running JHS - X (who shot pretty well despite his form) as the backcourt we could finally see some actual inside-out with spacing that will open up the outside game. Hell wr just need to shoot more, not be so dependent on the inside game and raise the volume of our outside shooting and that itself would improve our outside game. All that is to say i see reasons to be optimistic about a better outside game with who we have

Was he the driver? :)

Right. Zero tolerance was just stupid, it was clearly a fail in waiting, but RMK was not going to change, he wasn't going to even agree to anger management classes, and at that point in his career, he was who he was. Loved RMK for many years, and one of the greatest college coaches of all time, but he was out of control at the end.

Agree and just swapping out a 300 for a 200 level team improves SOS

Nice to see you around Fouls

Would add to all this, that the teams make those decisions (when they do) to tell a guy they’ll pick him after individual workouts, they’ve done their homework, and are confident he’s a good fit. There are always scenarios where guys fall unexpectedly in the draft and may be there at the spot offered, but the teams don’t make those promises or assurances lightly, if they do it’s brcause they value the player

Wait, Crean was weird? :)

It really was something of a joke. The phone call violations that the University self-reported, leading to NCAA major infractions (because the NCAA powers that be were furious that Sampson had gotten away from Okla when they were coming down on that program) were no longer a violation the very next year. This was not bags of cash, not fake classes, not buying a car or a house for a family member, this was three-way calls and otherwise impermissible phone calls to recruits. Do you think any other major program would have completely dismantled and destroyed their marquee basketball program over that?? Self-sanctioned leaving the University with not a single scholarship athlete and playing baseball players and walkons?? No way, no way in the world. Yes, it was a joke. A really bad joke. And yes it was controversial, and stupid, that IU hired him knowing of his violations at Okla and the probation the U placed him under, but that doesn't change that the phone calls themselves were exceptionally minor in the grand scheme of things, they were. The program was not screwed up before Sampson, it was undergoing a major transition from firing RMK but it wasn't screwed up. But agree or not on all that, my point was Sampson was and is an exceptional basketball mind and coach, but while the actual infractions were just silly in the grand scheme of things, as it became clear the 'program' under his 'watch' really was a 'lack of institutional control' because of the complete fall off in and disregard of academics, and a growing drug culture (and we lost out on some really good IN players including the older Zeller IIRC because of that), he wasn't going to work out at IU anyway, and -- imo -- as bad as the last decade has been, we'll be better off, hopefully now under Woodson.

Just curb stomp Wisconsin

Yeah, the latter. Love Sampson’s coaching, dude knows how to strategize and the guys play their best for him, but U of H’s standards for player academics and lifestyle differs from IU. Guys under Sampson at IU were failing out and regularly getting into drug issues. Phonegate was a joke, but Sampson wouldn’t have worked out at IU anyway