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IU - 91 AA&M - 62

No -- I didn't say firing Crean was a mistake, I said hiring Miller was mistake #1. Again, pounding the dead horse that keeps getting ignored, with the right coach there's no reason to believe IU won't rise up again, none. "Exhibit No. 1" would be Sampson, picking up the pieces from Davis' decline after getting to the championship in 2000 with RMK's players. That Crean was able to accomplish the level of success he had -- and I don't care how you want to dice it, it was pretty good -- despite being just an OK coach, should be your Exhibit No. 3, but you flip the script. We see this all differently, that's OK.

Thing is, you're making assumptions based on the immediate now -- less than 2 seasons of football under Cig. FWIW, actual football schools (e.g., Texas) are critiquing IU now as #2 based on an overall weak schedule -- and that's pretty fair. We beat Oregon at Oregon, excellent W, and you can only play the schools on the schedule, but we haven't gone undefeated yet, we haven't yet faced OSU, the schedule has been pretty kind, and that's just this season anyway,. Very possibly the first undefeated season? Yes, possible, no it hasn't happened yet, and just one year anyway. Football is more important than basketball success, flat out? Your opinion, certainly not mine, and no the AD certainly hasn't intimated that or anything close to it. Football is bigger revenue, that's always been the case, that doesn't mean suddenly IU is turning to football over basketball. It / the AD the administration just fired Woodson, so IU can return to being a strong bball program. That's fact. If it no longer cared so much about bball we could still have mediocre Mike - what an awful thought, lol. Won't be surprised that they talk about basketball less during football games? Well, why wouldn't the school talk less about basketball during a football game. That doesn't mean anything. You and I agree on many things, on this topic we don't. My opinions are just my opinions, and I always enjoy your posts, so hope I'm not somehow conveying otherwise in the way I'm posting, but there's just no reason, imo, to think IU suddenly cares less about bball. I think your preference to football on a personal level is driving your expectations. And the inverse of that is probably true of me. Regardless, very much agree that if (when) the bball program starts to wake (I think that's happened already) this is a good problem to have. Let's be dominant in football and bball. Why not?

Bad rear view read from imo. We won Big 10 championships under Crean, had 3 SW16’s and multiple future NBA players, the program was in good shape it just wasn’t consistently at the level where it could contend at a FF level team so the U canned Crean in favor of a terrible coach in Miller, mistake #1. Of course it was a decade plus ago we just suffered through 8 years of Miller and Woodson. But immediately before Sampsongate we were 24-4 and clearly dominant - why? Because we had a great coach (basketball not ethics). That’s the point. Cig and Dev won’t be battling for resources, not happening. It’s so easy to wallow in the wake of Miller/Woodson, but that era is over. There’s every reason to believe the bball program will he dominant again with the right coach and staff. I think we just may finally have that again.

I hear you. Cig has certainly brought a great deal of fresh air to a program that was just crap for many years (though worth remembering IU did go to the Rose Bowl once, I’m sure you remember). I’m a IU bball lifer. When you grow up watching 3 NC teams, the last while you were at IU, and even roughly a decade after of IU as the cream of men’s basketball, that’s your compass. It’s great that IU is suddenly winning in football over 2 seasons but that doesn’t change the landscape for me. Our AD picked DeVries with the same approach Cig was picked. I expect we’ll see IU winning again pretty soon, and with that cones the spotlight, the uptick in recruiting, the uptick in portal and blam IU will quickly be “back” imo. That Bilas is already out there saying DeVries was one of the top hires speaks volumes. The negativity has been around for a long time, a lot of ut was deserved with the crap Miller and then Woody put on the floor, but a lot of it started with the whole RMK firing fallout, and that just is what it is. I think with an actual bball mind, the first since Sampson, things will trend positive soon

Not a big Bilas fan but he knows his basketball. Yes, nice optics and another voice of confidence

I tend to think Cig stays because he’s fully supported and has us already winning on a big level, but you have to know the real football schools will come calling. If he leaves IU crashes back down fast. If he stays the U could be s strong fb program for some time. Disagree students determine whether we’re a football or bball program but it’s all just discussion and for fun. The bball program remains a slesping giant. It wasn’t that long ago that Obama was picking IU to win it all on national tv, Cody and Vic were huge, and a mediocre coach in Crean had the U with the nation’s longest #1 ranking. All it takes is the right coach with support from the AD. It looks like we may have that again but we’ll know in a couple seasons or so whether that looks to pan out. Hell we’re already a long-time elite soccer school, Moren has the women’s program working its way onto the national stage, Cig is legit, and maybe, just maybe we’re on the cusp with DeVries. He looks to be cut from the same cloth as Cig

Would bet that line increases tomorrow

I don’t think we’re a football school because of a 2 year run with new coach. Current students will say so bc that’s sll they know, after Woody. We start winning well again in bball, and we’re immediately a recognized bball program getting noise again.

23 fast break and 22 off TOs - yes please

Socka and Beaumont having strong games

Caffey looks like she’s 12 lol

Picking up on earlier thoughts on Sisley, jmo but his limited play against Baylor reflected his need to develop against better comp. I see a lot of upside in Sisley and his early play was really encouraging, don't get me wrong, but also think your points about level of competition re Miles/Dorn apply at least equally to Sisley, a frosh who we've only seen excel against far inferior comp. Let's see how he looks against better comp going forward. I hope he shines, but that's a TBD imo.

From Finklestein: "Karvala is loaded with glaring upside," Finkelstein wrote. "He’s a big, nearly 6-foot-7 wing with a pretty shooting stroke from downtown. He runs well, covers the court, and can rise-up explosively to play above the rim. The key is putting it all together consistently and efficiently in order to impact winning to the highest degree. "While this was a breakout grassroots season for Karvala, he averaged 14 points per game on just 38% shooting from the floor and 34% from behind the arc, while attempting roughly two-third of his total from three. There’s no question that Karvala is a projectable shooter. "He has a smooth release and showed versatility in his shot-making – on the move, running to the arc in transition, and being particularly good off the dribble. There were times though when his shot could get a little flat or when he could disappear altogether for stretches and not impact the game quite as much as someone with his talent should." From Crimson Quarry: Karvala fits the mold of the kind of player DeVries has seemed to prioritize at Indiana in that he’s a wing with positional versatility, athleticism to get up and down the court while playing above the rim and an ability to shoot the ball from long range. -- lot of reason to believe he'll thrive under DeVries' coaching, in his system. Composite ranking #42 overall

Nice land, already a nice player and one with a lot of upside. Welcome aboard

Karvala…

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Exactly the kind of player I’ve been looking forward to landing, athletic, physical- strong, aggressive D, quick, dyamic and with a slashing game. And part of a strong class. Next season could be the start of some special teams

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Reeses is good stuff, but Special Dark Bar plz

Love Caffey's game, and we're faster as hoped for, playing more aggressively (which contributed to the foul count) and still shooting well from outside. Man we should be really good next season with the incoming frosh (plus portal) assuming Moren keeps the key players.

^^^ And while it was just an exhibition game and we shouldn't take it for more than that, our guys did hang with a good Baylor team and did so with minimal sideline coaching in at least the closing minutes of the first half and game. a 15-win take from that seems really unwarranted, imo. To me, this is a team that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts -- and that's the opposite of a Woodson coached team.

Lenee plus 45 on plus minus

Btw above pics are courtesy of my mom, she’s a women’s bball regular, has been going to all their games basically since we had a women’s team. She’s liking what she sees fwiw