Hoosierfan2017

http://www.scout.com/college/indiana/story/1784179-four-star-michigan-forward-visits-indiana "The cons are that I have been there almost all my life, and staying I wouldn't get to experience anything else." I've alluded to something like this about Musa Jallow so this was interesting to read. Seems like living in East Lansing might not help the Spartans with this kid as much as one might expect.

It really must suck going through life being as angry about things as Dan Dakich is.

LeBron with his 9th triple double, passing Magic Johnson for most in Finals history. No other player has more than 2. He also has passed Michael Jordan for 3rd in Finals scoring.

I just graduated so all of this information is based on my experiences this past school year. If anything has changed for this upcoming year someone please correct me. If you're going to be a freshman you can sign up for them at freshmen orientation at the SRSC. After freshman year you can buy them when you sign up for fall classes. Early during the fall semester (late August/early September I believe) you get an email about signing up for your ticket group which is where you and your buddies can put yourselves in a group. You get a certain number of basketball games depending on how many students sign up for tickets. The price you pay is for the full allotment and then IU refunds you the difference between the full package and the number of tickets you get. For basketball it's based on seniority so the students that accumulate more points get better seats. For each game you either get an assigned seat or GA (which is first come, first serve). Personally I prefer getting assigned seats now that they've expanded GA to include the balcony. Football tickets are on your phone and you can sit wherever you want in the student section. I used the "wallet" app on my iPhone, I'm not sure what is used on other phones. Bring your student ID to both sports because technically they have to see it to let you in. Some of the people working are more lenient than others about it, but bring it just in case.

Not sure how you get "bashing a player whose parent was murdered" out of that, but oh well. LeBron never even had a dad. It sucks that Jordan had to go through that, but I'm still not 100% convinced that was why he quit. His comments about David Stern when he retired lead me to believe the conspiracy theory holds some weight. The Decision was dumb, but his immature announcement raised millions for charity so even Lebron's screw ups are beneficial. Jordan didn't play during the social media age. When LeBron complains about a call it's seen by millions of people on the Internet. That didn't happen when Jordan played. Imagine if it had and pictures of Jordan out gambling at the casinos the night before playoff games were leaked. LeBron would get crucified about how he doesn't take the game seriously.

I think Shaq's prime was better than anyone else's prime. I don't think he sustained it long enough to be the goat, but idk if anyone was better than him at his best.

Jordan would never pass the ball late in the game like LeBron did last night. Guys like Jordan always wanted to take the shot. Jordan never would've blown a lead like the Cavs did last night with everything on the line. Jordan made his teammates better and they never faltered down the stretch. The legend of Michael Jordan grows more and more every year. Lucky for him this happened in the 2nd round so it doesn't count or something like that.

Beats me, is it Lebron's fault when his teammates miss shots? He didn't make Kevin Love go 1-9 last night. He didn't make Kyrie Irving go 0-7 from 3 last night. He didn't make Tristan Thompson only grab 3 rebounds last night. Is he supposed to do all that for him? Jordan was a gambling addict that punched out his teammates and cheated on his wife but yes let's discuss how he conducted himself. Jordan is supposed to be this ultra competitor but he quit on his team during his prime. Wow. Imagine the scrutiny if LeBron had quit basketball during his prime.

1a and 1b right now with it being a toss up in who is where. I think LeBron will be ahead once he retires but until then it's hard to say. If he becomes the first player with 30,000 points, 10,000 rebounds and 10,000 assists I think that makes a pretty convincing argument for best overall player of all time.

Name some players that played with LeBron that played worse with him than without him. The notion that he makes his teammates worse is absurd and would get you laughed at by analysts. This team won 66 games in 2008-2009.

I don't think there's any shame in Jordan getting swept by those teams because the Celtics were extremely tough back then, and I don't think there's any shame in LeBron getting swept in the Finals either. He was rolling with Drew Gooden and Sasha Pavlovic against the Spurs jugarnaut in 2007 at age 22, and now he's going up against the super team to beat all super teams. If he came in, wet the bed and got swept then sure, let's have the conversation, but he's averaging a 30 point triple double. He's bringing it, he just doesn't have the fire power behind him to compete with the Warriors. I just brought up the question because if getting swept in the Finals twice disqualifies LeBron from any GOAT conversation then we should apply the same standard to Jordan and realize that he got swept in the first round twice.

Wait you didn't know that Jordan only played 6 years in the NBA and won the championship every one of them??

"But it's different because it's Jordan!" Lol. Ok. Continue the mental gymnastics to argue that getting swept in the Finals is worse than getting swept in the first round. The Detroit team he beat basically by himself to get to the finals was certainly not trash. Jordan never faced a team better than this year's Golden State team.

Does the greatest ever get swept twice in the First Round?

Lebron's biggest fault as a player is that he always wants to make the smart basketball play which leads to him trusting his teammates more than he should, imo. Kyle Korver is statistically one of the best 3 point shooters in league history, so passing to him late in the game last night was the smart basketball play, even though I'd rather lebron have shot it. Jordan's also the better scorer. Their career averages aren't much different, but Jordan has many more 40, 50, 60 point games. You can pencil LeBron in for 27/7/7 basically every night but he isn't a pure scorer like Jordan. He's also too unselfish. He's a tremendous passer, one of the best since Magic, but sometimes I wish he'd quit trying to get his teammates involved and just do it on his own. That's been my biggest complaint about his game throughout his career.

We need to get recruits on campus for the Duke game.

Wtf..

That's perfectly fine. If you take the two's bodies of work throughout their entire careers and conclude that Jordan was better then I can accept that. My post was related to the "Jordan has 6 rings so that's the end of the discussion" crowd. There's much more to it than that. Neither of us will change the other's opinion and that's fine, but I respect yours because you go past the rings and make an actual, detailed argument.

I've noticed that when Jordan fans say that he's the best they always either say "6 rings" or they point to things that can't be measured. "LeBron doesn't have a killer instinct like Jordan did." "LeBron doesn't have the clutch gene like Jordan did." They never want to look at the stats, they want to make up qualities that can't be measured and say that Jordan has them and LeBron doesn't. So, let's look at the stats. So many people act like rings are the end-all, be all, but I disagree. Too many variables go into winning rings to use that as the final barometer. Let's compare Jordan's stats to LeBron's. I'll take LeBron's stat-line from this year's playoffs and then take Jordan's best statistic in each category (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, field goal percentage and 3 point percentage) from his second three-peat and compare the two. LeBron: 32.4/8.8/7.6/2.0/1.4 on 56.3/41.5 percent shooting. Jordan: 32.4/7.9/4.8/1.8/0.9 on 46.2/40.3 percent shooting. LeBron is averaging the same number of points while shooting 10% higher from the field, grabbing more rebounds, dishing out more assists, making more steals, and blocking more shots. Keep in mind these are LeBron's stats from one playoffs while these are Jordan's best numbers from three separate playoffs. "Well, that's the playoffs, let's compare the two's numbers in the Finals. That's what matters." Okay, let's. LeBron's 2017 Finals: 32.0/12.3/10.3/1.3/1.3 on 55.4/38.9 percent shooting. Jordan's 1996 Finals: 27.3/5.3/4.2/1.7/0.2 on 41.5/31.6 percent shooting. Jordan's 1997 Finals: 32.3/7.0/6.9/1.2/0.8 on 45.6/32.0 percent shooting. Jordan's 1998 Finals: 33.5/4.0/2.3/1.8/0.7 on 42.7/30.8 percent shooting. For as much as Jordan's fans talk about him and his greatness I was really expecting better numbers. This notion that LeBron chokes in the Finals while Jordan excelled is utter nonsense. LeBron is playing better in defeat than Jordan did in victory. It's almost as if it takes more than one player to win a championship, which makes using championships as the deciding factor between two players deeply flawed. The point of my post isn't to argue that LeBron is better than Jordan, it's to argue that you can't simply point to the rings as an argument. There's much more to it than that.

Lol forgot about Lance. I like him but he's a goon. This is the kind of immature crap I'd expect from someone like him, not a two-time MVP, face of the franchise like Steph.

Steph Curry is the most disrespectful, childish player in the NBA. Zero class.

I missed the potshot that got him booted, any idea what it was?

I'm not even mad anymore. Even if they had won tonight they weren't going to win the series, Golden State is too good. Best team in NBA history, imo. There will people that'll be like " Lebron's 3-5 in the finals, he got swept in the Finals twice, he sucks" (while looking past Jordan getting swept in the first round twice) but no rational person will put this Finals on LeBron. He's averaging 32/12/10 on 55/39/74 shooting. He could average the first triple double in NBA finals history. He's doing everything he can but it just isn't enough. Oh well, it happens.

The Cavs got outscored by 12 points in the two minutes LeBron sat out smh.

I hate the "they don't play defense in the NBA" take. It couldn't be further from the truth.