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IU 28 UCLA 17

There's a football player at Miami playing in his 9th season. He was in the same recruiting class at Oregon with Justin Herbert who is entering his 5th season in the NFL. I wouldn't put anything past the NCAA at this point. Assuming Goode stays healthy the entire year, he will have finished his career playing essentially 3 1/3 seasons. In an age where guys are playing 5 and 6 seasons on the regular, giving Goode an extra year doesn't seem as preposterous as it once did regardless of previous precedent.

Indiana 49 Western Illinois 7

Definitely feel better about Harlason than Mullins and still think we end up with both.

Haralson isn’t coming here to play off the bench. That I do know. Now if one of Carlyle or Rice leaves Tucker could find his way into the starting lineup, but if Rice, Carlyle, and Haralson are all on the roster at this time next year, that’s your starting back court unless one of them is injured.

I think Carlyle has a much higher NBA ceiling than Rice given his ability as a true scorer to go along with being younger and less questions about health. Rice would have to play at an AA level next year to get drafted in my opinion. If Carlyle can an effective scorer with consistent range beyond the 3 point line, he’ll absolutely test the waters. I think Carlyle has the most volatile role on the team next year.

I look at it this way, Galloway is gone next year and so is Mgbako unless he just absolutely bombs. Truthfully that’s somewhere between 50-55 mpg (and a starting spot) that just became available to split between Haralson and Mullins. If you potentially add someone like Mikel Brown and can’t find minutes for him, well that’s a good problem to have. Means you’re absolutely loaded in the backcourt.

IU: 34 FIU: 13

I don't doubt Shaw's sources when it comes to his UK intel because UK is definitely a major player for BM, but it's laugh out loud funny to say that IU is merely "in the mix".

Let me know when Villanova is on their 5th coach in 25 years

Do the fanbases of the consistently winning programs revolt after 2-3 seasons if there isn't overnight success? If you look at the some of the programs who have surpassed Indiana in regards to elite status since RMK (Baylor, Virginia, Villanova, etc) the answer is unequivocally no. It's going to take time for Indiana to become a perennially winner again, burning it down every few years at the rate IU has been doing it the last quarter century isn't helping.

He had a massive rebuild his first 3 years, that was universally accepted. He proceeded to win the B10 twice and go to three S16’s over the course of the next 6 seasons. He was fired a year removed from winning a B10 title after a season in which he lost his best player to injury. And this fan base thought we were getting Billy Donovan lol.

Lol Billy Clyde was a drunk without a contract. It wasn’t hard. But that same fan base just ran off his successor and ended up with their 5th or 6th candidate.

Not really. Rarely in the other thread since this thread has been started.

Suggest you stay out of the Do Not Fire Mike Woodson thread if you can’t handle somebody with a differing opinion

You ever think the reason why IU is getting the Archie Miller’s and Mike Woodson’s of the world is because the coaching retention sucks?? I’d love to hear who you think IU is going to get once Woodson is gone? Especially someone who is going to win overnight since you know, you can tell a coaches future trajectory all within a year or two…BeCAuSE NiL.

Keep turnin’ and burning’!!! That’ll surely fix things lol.

We’re on our 5th coach since the turn of the century…. Name another program in the country who has consistently won at a respectable level with a comparable turnover rate as Indiana in said time frame? You can’t because they don’t exist. IU has a terrible turnover rate when it comes to coaching retention. Don’t kid yourself.

This has gone over your head…again. None of those coaches would have become relevant had they only been given 2-3 seasons. Making my point yet again.

Then why are coaches still given 4-5 year contracts in the NIL era instead of 1-2 year contracts? Because building something doesn't always happen overnight, even in the current climate. You're telling me Dusty May is only going to get two years at Michigan? Because of NIL? Stupid to suggest otherwise.

That is certainly an opinion.

Well we definitely have a differing opinion on this. Making the tournament was the singular expectation I had for Woodson's first year, we hadn't been since 2016. Beating Purdue for the first time in 9 tries was also refreshing. Year 2 I had higher preseason expectations although those were tempered when two starters went down for the majority of the conference season. Comfortably making the tournament as a 4 seed, sweeping Purdue, and finishing in the top third of the B10 was fine by me, but the blowout loss to Miami is the only thing people are going to remember. Last year was a train wreck and unacceptable. Can't happen again. So no I don't think he's underachieved 3 consecutive years. But to each their own.

No one hires a coach thinking they're getting 40 years and 5 national titles. Not at all how the hiring process works. But I'd sure as hell take 3-4 more seasons of Woodson getting to the 2nd weekend of the tournament and winning at a high level so long as he continues to have an offseason like the one prior and then calling it quits on his own terms leaving the program better than he found it. Sure as hell beats the alternative of hiring Dusty May and then listening to this board call for his head because he didn't win a national title by year 3.

Stability and continuity are two huge factors that go into winning at a high level consistently. Turning coaches over every 3-4 seasons because you don't like their overnight results isn't a recipe for success, clearly. There are some coaches who do win big right away but that's not the norm in this industry.

Jay Wright was worse in year 3 than year 1, as was Mike Krzyzewski. I don't believe either would have gotten the leniency here given this boards standard. Hell Archie was light years improved in year 3 from year 1 and most wanted him gone after his 2nd season.