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Yeah, and that spin move of Berger's is clean and effortless

^^ Teri Moren is genuinely an excellent coach, and the buy-in she gets from the players is fully evident. Back to back SW16's, women's team in full effect, now if we can get the men's team building on this year going forward under Woodson, would be something to have both teams playing at the top of the conference regularly

Of course it was Berger with the go ahead bucket through traffic to seal the W. She's fantastic.

No, no you’re not! :)

Getting ready for Wisconsin

My guesswork as well, I see JHS as more of a combo guard, and X would start at point/primary ball handler with JHS secondary ball handler if X returns -- I don't know why X wouldn't, he's the sure-fire starting pg on a team that made the tourney and he's bonded to the guys, but again just my guesswork as well. That's not great shooting (JHS has been improving his outside game but it's been an area he needs to develop), need a good shooting wing to go with Geronimo at the 4

Thing is prospects absolutely look at depth, including upper classmen depth, how many minutes they played, and how they were played, when picking teams. It's just not as simple as saying a good prospect won't be scared -- good prospects understand that freshmen (i.e., Bates, who is a very good player and as you note was highly ranked) often don't get major minutes and that their minutes will increase when they're sophs -- any guard prospect who would be in competition for minutes with Bates is likely to consider him, those that are looking for immediate, major minutes are more likely to pick a team with that need, that's the norm

I’ve really never noticed or thought about recruiting disparity. Has someone compared B1G’s recruits to other conferences over say the past decade? Does the B1G have fewer of the top recruits comparatively to other conferences consistently? Just asking as I don’t know. Either way I wholeheartedly agree the B1G needs to both change its style of allowing rougher play and provide a break between the conf tourney and ncaa tourney— Glad we landed JHS, kid’s a baller

This is the craziest tourney i can remember, just nuts

Again agree, but I’d still like to see it

Yep

I keep hearing from people who know more about his hs wrist - hand injury that his shot has never been the same, i dont know if it’s about continuing to work on his outside shot (i know he has been) or it’s that with the wrist injury (and his injury this season) it’s just screwed up his shooting ability— hope not

Are you my son?

Agree, makes sense, but if Race were to decide to return and TJD leaves as expected, he could have a strong year as the down- low - to - roam perimeter guy, a 4-out. I’d like to see a Race - Geronimo look.

No you just ignore things that don’t suit your narrative, the straw man oh woe is me stuff is silly, but happy trails to you

You’re really just looking for arguments, I get it, have fun with your ire.

It’s way too simplistic to look at the PU game as just Rob shooting out of his mind - he was - and i never said Rob is the answer to our outside shooting or that we don’t need to add outside shooting, I said we do, so you’re overlooking my point, not sure why. We don’t need out of this world shooting to beat teams, we need good shooting with a more diverse offense that utilizes the outside game, we didn’t do much of that this year, again, at least partly because Kopp and Stew (who is a strong outside shooter) cant create their own shot. Again we need to add that shooting. But Bates is a good shooter, he played spot minutes and as a frosh getting used to the college game. He came to iu a strong shooter, water will find its level (if you want to believe you can just look at his limited frosh numbers and judge his shooting have at it, we’ll just disagree)

Bates came to IU as a strong outside shooter, he has the history, technique, form and confidence— but he was a frosh playing mostly spot minutes and adjusting to the college game, he will get there and i’d lay money down on it. He’s a really strong 2-way player who can score at 3 levels. Nitpicking at his frosh numbers is just pointless. Geronimo comes into a game cold and immediately drills a 3 with good form. His shooting numbers are too low to draw any real conclusions and it just irks me to read posts nitpicking at his percentages, just watch his shot, it’s good. However he doesn’t have the handle at this point to create his outside shot, that will require further development and growth in his game. Based on his big strides this season, i think that will come too, but that’s just projecting, proof Will have to come from him.

Yes and no. We beat PU the first game bc TJD was on the bench and we went to guard play. On the one hand, you seem to be overlooking that I don’t disagree that TJD is our best player and we have lacked outside shooting so we’ve had to go inside. On the other hand we shot by numbers from outside, again, towards the bottom of the conf - you can’t win well playing a 2-point game against the norm, 3-point shooting — and the guys we added for 3-p shooting cant create their own shots, so a viscous circle. Bates and Geronimo will continue to improve including from outside, both are good outside shooters and i will bet you any day the week their shooting is better next season, but yeah of course we need to add shooting and I’ve bern saying that from day 1, with guys who can create their own shot.

This is what I'm really interested / curious about -- TJD is a fantastic player, hands above our best player, but we can't win playing almost entirely through the post, and with Geronimo and Bates / Galloway continuing to grow their games, and JHS coming in, we can be a more complete team that uses the wing and perimeter much more than we did this past season. Defensively, Geronimo is right there on a per minute / per 40 basis in rim protection / blocks and rebounding. Losing TJD (assuming he declares and goes) is a big time hit, but then if he returns Race could play a major role while opening up our outside game. A lot to watch for over the summer --

God works in mysterious ways... :)

Franklin and Al finished their careers here at 43% and 38% respectively, that was just last year. That's actually impressive for them, because, clearly, CAM was not a development coach (for all his faults, Crean was). Of course we didn't show much individual improvement under CAM, that's kind of obvious. Glad those years are behind us. But we're getting off target if you really do want to talk intangibles instead of just kavitching about individual shooting improvement while ignoring the guys who did show improvement. Intangibles to me are right there in Geronimo, Bates and Galloway. Guys who come in as two-way players, who are not just talented from a recruiting/ranking perspective but have that fight and edge to go with work ethic. And Geronimo and Galloway both have already shown significant improvement in their games. Bates was a frosh, he was up and down, but man if you can't see the intangibles he brings I don't know what to tell you, kid is going to be really good, both individually and as a team player. We need shooting and athleticism on the wing, that's not an intangible, but bring it with that type of player with grit, tenacity, drive and work ethic and you have a winning program. I said 'easy' and went back to Vic because he (along with OG, who also obviously improved individually) is a great example of how a player who has all the intangibles coming in can and will grow his game on work ethic and drive -- with player development, and will help the team win. Woodson hasn't even had 1 year of his own recruits on the floor -- but he did land Bates and that's a great start. Now we have, at least, JHS coming in. That dude is a physical, tough guard who brings it in multiple ways. Also a great start.

Easy, Vic. From shooting in the 20’s to the 40’s

1 - Izzo, complete and total douchebag, whiney little man who turns a blind eye to anything in favor of winning 2. Gard, no explanation needed 3. Rest - ambivalent

Allow me to take this moment to say goodbye to my bracket