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Love this, same thing happened with Beard at TTech going to Texas, no? Great programs GET their guy.

I'll add him to the big board / watchlist lol

Great draw in FF too

Don't let someone else swoop up Dusty like we let Stevens go! My heart wouldn't be able to take it.

How does QB have any authority in the matter on coaching hires? Shouldn’t the authority for the decision come from the AD? Wasn’t that why he was hired? Is Dolsen just a puppet? Is Fred Glass still pulling strings?

This is literally Dolsons Job… and was Dolsons job, No? He’s been in the athletic department for a long time, why has there been such little investment over the years? This is on him

Maybe not. Point is that Indiana seems to fumble the bag. Also, if i'm not mistaken, Glass was hired when we didn't have a president, and Dolson was hired when we also didn't have a president? Maybe this is the issue here? Maybe new President can make a positive change?

It seems to me… at least based on the boards…. that every hire IU has made since Mike Davis goes like this…. IU targets an elite level coach, is almost about to hire them, and then all of a sudden everything is sabotaged… heard it was Pitino at Beilin to IU…. We ended up with Sampson, then same where we had Donovan lined up then we had archie…. Hearing the same that it was the same with the AD and we ended up with Dolsen… who keeps sabotaging? Why does this keep happening?

I agree no one would have hired away coach K, but seeing the inner workings of his program would allow you to keep him at Duke vs fire him etc.

Maybe they made it past the interview process. But if you know the inner workings of how they run their program, you’d be able to identify areas of concern quickly. We as fans don’t have insight, but the AD would. Extending Crean was concerning for a multitude of reasons. All of the reasons he was let go at IU and Georgia were apparent at the time of the extension. I don’t believe our AD is capable of evaluating elite level coaching and don’t understand what it takes to become elite.

The whole point I was trying to make is that you can tell if someone is elite before their performance shows. Coach K would be a great example. Inner workings of his program vs. record would indicate that he would be wildly successful

I'm in sales, and we all know who the ELITE sales people are WAY before they close a huge deal or make their mark. It is comically easy to spot great sellers and bad ones... For example of a bad salesperson.... Once a salesperson says "I'll never hit my number", "my account list is S***", "I didn't have X", its over. Those guys flame out and quickly. Now It's possible they have a blue bird account and have one good year. but ball don't lie and they get fired or put on a plan quickly after. Elite Salespeople come in with a plan, growth mindset, are great at putting in the hard work, set a defined goal at the beginning of the year, they become ELITE quickly. I assume same goes for coaching, you can tell by their practices, their mindset, if they're making excuses etc. In sales You may not get the best accounts, manager, team, or territory and things like having to split commissions and getting 50% quota happens, You have to deal with it in stride and commit to succeeding no matter what. Maintaining a schedule for cold calls, email outreach, etc is same as a practice schedule for a coach. Losing accounts is same as injuries, Deal slipping in quarter for something uncontrollable is same as getting beat at buzzer. If you know what you're looking for its so easy to identify top talent, even before they make a large tournament run... Crean exuded everything that would indicate a failure vs elite coach in his first year. I don't understand for the life of me how the Athletic Department didn't recognize it. Archie was also easily identifiable as a failure before he started because he wasn't a culture fit. Again the Athletic Department didn't recognize it. Woodson is a good culture fit, seems to have what it takes, I haven't heard excuses except for today when he called out injuries... I think his issue is that he needs to adapt his "sales" process to the college game. He can't just have a really talented player and let him do his thing like in the NBA I knew Crean would never work when he made excuses his first 3 years. "oh I didn't have enough Scholarship players etc"... Become elite at something. Maybe the best fundamental team in the B10, strive for most steals in the league, anything to hang your hat on.... This is why in my thread about the uniforms EVERYTHING MATTERS when you're becoming elite. If you don't believe me read Atomic Habits. We are a half-A**ed program hanging our hats on our laurels from stuff we won 35years ago. The Admin needs to wake up. I can't keep supporting a program thats rudderless with no clear direction or intent on what they are.

Glass wasn't able to do that either. Seems like the fan base is capable but admin is clueless?

In 1-2 years would you hire Chris Beard as an assistant / head coach ASSUMING he's cleared of the charges and doesn't get prosecuted?

Glass is still haunting us eh? I hope Dolson doesn’t consult with him. Dolson should be fired on the spot

Name one positive change in last 20 years

This administration is bad and has been bad for years. Football team is a mess. Still bullish on Woodson tho

He was the only good coach of the bunch

At any point after the Davis FF, or Crean 2013 S16 did you have confidence in our coaching to bring us a national championship? Or confidence at all going into the tournament

Duke, UNC and Villanova can still have a huge drop off. Early success could be afterglow from prior regime. I suspect none of those programs would hire/extend/allow 19 combined years of Davis, Archie, Crean level coaches like we have

You just don’t get the argument here and are doubling down on a bad take.

Interesting… seems like IU cutting corners again. But at least trying

I think the issue is we can’t attract a top coach because there’s no foundation established by the admin. The coach shouldn’t have to worry about things like the shop or game day experience.

We were a LEADER in the student athletes bill of rights…. Which no one followed lol.. side note I do actually love the part that we guarantee scholarships to get an education if the sports thing don’t work out for someone. But also - does that provide a bad incentive that student athletes don’t work as hard as they need? Idk

I think I should change the topic from “how far is Indiana away from being an elite program” to “how out of touch with reality is the older fan base with what’s required to be elite”…. Can anyone in here name one thing where Indiana was the market leader in innovation, execution for anything surrounding the program?