KzooHoosier82

Not good. UK missing on all their top targets could be a disaster for IU. Brooks was quoted in saying he’s going where he’s needed, not just where he’s wanted. Well UK will need him after their top crop leave at seasons end and it’s gotta look better to him than the dumpster fire that is IU.

Pretty embarrassing that Illinois is getting better as the season goes on and our team is getting worse. Hard to fathom how this season is not on Archie other than he lost the team and needs to clean house.

Crean is the best used car salesmen on the planet. Of course he talked him up just like he talked up Gelon. He's not going to trash his own guys, he's going to try and will them with confidence in hopes they'll make him look brilliant. That team was worse than SMU football's return from the death penalty...to say Crean should have had IU winning year two or three is simply being an unabashed blowhard with no concept of reality. Year four we beat the best college team on the planet (that year and probably ever sense)

A fallacy? wow. I mean our team consisted entirely of walk on level players...literally. I mean I think it was just a rumor but if they announced a try out at the HYPER I wouldn't have been shocked as I guarantee there were intramural teams that would have beat what IU had in Crean's first year. Crean's 2009 recruiting class was a miracle given the state of the program and they needed a year or two to develop, while Crean added more high level recruits like VO, Sheehey, and Zeller to the fold. At least Crean's teams got progressively better as he brought in talent in those early years. Archie failed (what we thought was miserably before experiencing what true misery is now) last year with a decent squad and we gave him a pass because they are "Crean's players". Add in Romeo and Phin and we're even worse this year despite how the fan base insisted losing Newkirk and RoJo was addition by subtraction. Your arguments are full of "what ifs" that require huge stretches to come to fruition....Wilkes for one never wanted to play at IU. However, none of this even matters..the argument in this thread is simple: "blame Glass for not firing Crean sooner" which even if it made sense at the time to do (not relying solely on hindsight) he didn't have the authority to do it in the first place. You literally cannot argue Glass should have fired Crean any sooner than he did because he quite literally couldn't even if he wanted to.

I mean, this makes zero sense but ok? We fire Crean year three and we don't get Zeller...that's a fact. It would literally have been the dumbest move in college basketball history, equal to giving ourselves the death penalty. There would have been no coming out of that.

I completely agree with you. Coaches overthink strategy and get out coached all the time. It was a bad game at a very bad time against a very hot team. Doesn't make it a logical reason to fire a guy.

Is that a serious response? God, I hope not.

That logic is so incredibly flawed it's hard to respond to. First, you have no idea what Crean coached the kids to do against Cuse, you're assuming the players always execute the game plan without fault. Fire a coach because he loses to a Final Four team? Seems legit. I guess everyone Cuse beat that year should have made a coaching change. None of this matters because the President and the Board would never have approved Crean's firing in the first place.

Both of those classes were ranked in the top 25 and few if no one thought they were duds at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 and anyone who wants an AD who's going to fire a guy like you and others are suggesting doesn't know how this works. That would be a disaster and would turn our program into Penn State in no time. What player is going to commit to a program knowing his coach will get fired if he misses the tournament regardless of past success? Crean was fired at the right time. Although I don't think he's as bad of a couch as most of the fan base paints him out to be, I understand wanting to build and grow higher than Crean's capabilities. He also deserves to be appreciated for the tireless work he put in to rebuilding IU from a joke of a program to a contender. Archie hasn't proven anything yet....it remains to be seen if he ever will.

Lol, so Crean brings the program out of the literal ashes, gets IU to the S16 in 2011-12, wins the BigTen and back to the S16 in 2012-13, has a bad year and thus should be fired? Nevermind how far that would have set the program back, thus eliminating any chance for that BigTen championship in 2015-16. To say Crean should have been fired after 13-14 is entitled ignorance at its best. Bob Knights last six seasons were full of nothing but middle of the road BigTen finishes and first round tourney knockouts and there were riots after he got fired. Give me Crean's last six years over Knight's any day of the week.

When exactly should he have fired Crean?

Exactly. Anyone who's played team sports (especially football and basketball) at a high level knows it can and will get chippy between teammates at times. You never like to see it but it happens and you deal with it. Now if punches get thrown and it escalates to a full on fight then someone has to sit or be kicked off the team but if if it's just a pissing/shoving match, that's to be expected when a team sucks as bad as IU does right now.

Agreed but for the fan who think IU is dream job, it’s not. Everyone thought Archie was a homerun based on one good tourney run and success in a subpar conference. We’ll see what he can do next year with mostly his players but I think he needs to look the mirror this offseason and make some adjustments to his schemes.

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Then why were we turned down three times on our way to hire Archie? Don’t bother saying Glass didn’t offer enough money...wasn’t the case. He had a blank check.

Green is just the scapegoat for posters who don’t have the balls to blame Morgan, Smith and Rob for having terrible games and Archie for not being able to coach this team out of a paper bag. Archie may build a winning team but his inability to adapt his system to the players he has and to the teams he faces is inexcusable. IU deserved a better hire but sadly it isn’t the draw it used to be and it probably never will be.

He's really slow for his position. I'm not sure I've ever heard of a 4-5 star DB running a 4.86 forty. His vertical also needs work. Hopefully that's something he can improve by working with our S&C staff because you can't make plays when you're getting beat down the field. He also needs to gain 30-40 lbs. Hopefully he comes in, works his butt off and shows the big boys who were recruiting him that they made a mistake in passing on him.

Winston with 7 turnovers in the first half is crazy bad.

I'm not shocked by it being ranked only 27 on rivals and 38 on ESPN. I'm sure the depth at his position played a role. Sucks for him as I'm sure he was hoping to be apart of it. The biggest shocker to me is putting Samuell Williamson in over Brooks. There had to be payoff somewhere for that to happen.

He strikes me as a Nick Zeisloft kinda kid. Will probably end up at a Valpo, ISU or PUFW and could potentially transfer to a bigten school if he can show he can perform at a high level against D1 talent. He'll be a nice late addition to some team...kinda hoping it's not Purdue.

Yea, you take him. If he were on our team this year he'd be an unsung hero. At Detroit Mercy he's leaned on to be the star. Here he would be a compliment to Morgan and Romeo. Kid shot 10-15 from beyond the arc a couple weeks ago against Wright State and ended up with 48. He's already being compared to Trea Young and is being regarded as one of the top freshmen in the country. His game is sick...not just a spot up shooter but can create his own shot, he's quick, great handles, 86% from the FT line and can still finish around the rim despite his size. He'd have to take better care of the ball but he also wouldn't haven't handle it as much at IU. https://thebiglead.com/2019/01/22/the-new-trae-young-plays-for-detroit-mercy-and-is-named-antoine-davis/

I’d like to see him be offered a preferred walk on spot with the intent to earn a scholarship if he earns it. We do have 5 open spots so there’s no guarantee Allen will be able to fill all of them. I’m sure there’s plenty of spots on special teams he could help out with too.

You’re giving way too much creedence to people who claim to be insiders and connected to the program. There’s a reason it all came from HSN and nowhere else. I wasn’t posting much on here back then but I remember all I read here and elsewhere were references to HSN “insiders”. It was a snowball that started from a rumor that never was a thing, even to the point where claims Donovan was in Btown hit even though he was on video in OKC. Hate to burst your bubble but all communication was through Donovan’s agent and there never was real interest. Discussions with Bennett went much further and he was barely talked about due to the focus on the Donovan rumors. I know a lot of people want to think there are insiders posting on these sites but that’s simply not the case or they would be found out in no time and no longer be given info.

One person made up that narrative and other’s plagiarized it. There’s absolutely zero truth to it. Glass had a blank check and it wouldn’t have been his decision anyway. Glass reached out Donovan’s agent and they said no thanks.

We never had Donovan on the phone much less as the coach. There was no interest from his end