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I don’t disagree. I was responding to a post that said that we only brought in two players. I know we need shooters and we didn’t get them. But I don’t see how that means bringing in a third recruit (for two years) could be counted as anything but a positive and when he’s better than the two guys that transferred. our shooting will come down to guys that were on the roster (healthy or hurt) last year. I’m not optimistic about it but ultimately my opinion doesn’t make or miss shots. I am higher on DeVonte Green than almost anyone here, whether that is right or wrong.

And he may very well be. I just think right now that as IU fans we are conveniently forgetting the number of misses that Painter has had. And nine years into his time at Purdue there were certainly a lot of calls from Purdue fans for him to be fired....and let's not also forget that he got to come in for an extra year before he became the head coach to get his guys in place. Certainly no guarantee that the class he got to come in during his second year (Hummel, Martin, Johnson, Moore) was one he could have gotten if he only had their senior year to recruit them. All I'm saying is that there are a lot of people out there upset that all Miller brought in was a top 30 player, a top 150 player, and a quality grad transfer that has two seasons of eligibility left. As much as it pains us (and me), if Archie is the right coach that doesn't mean it is going to happen immediately. And I say this as a guy who was on board with bringing Jalen Windham in, whose ranking isn't good. But whether or not we were to offer, I am happy that it does seem that CAM did the due diligence to make a determination of whether or not he felt that he was worthy of an offer. Think back to some things that happened under Crean....particularly the David Williams debacle.

He may be better than his current ranking, but even if his ranking increases that doesn't make him 'being better than his ranking' a fact. And a guy ranked at 219 can be better than his ranking and still not be a big ten level player. I'm just pointing out that if we brought in a player ranked 219th, this board wouldn't exactly be thrilled regardless of whether he inched closer to 150. Painter is given a pass (deserved or not) based on recent team success. A lot of things get hidden (particularly that Purdue was very pedestrian on defense) when you have guys that can shoot the ball.

FWIW, Brunk coming in for two years doesn't make it a two man class. Brooks certainly was the guy we didn't get that we thought we would, but we also know that under previous management that missing on a player like him lead to giving scholarships to illogical reaches like Priller, April, Gelon, etc. It takes discipline to not give scholarships to players whom hurt the program's numbers in the long run when you miss on your top choices. Jalen Windham is a perfect example. By all accounts, Miller did the work on Jalen Windham and decided he was not worth using a scholarship on. Could Windham end up being worth one? Sure. But I would rather have a coach who does the work and not panic and throw darts.

I think when you say things like 'Jaden Ivey is better than his rating' you get stuck in the mentality of making a personal prediction/opinion into a fact....which its not. There are obviously some pretty in tune evaluators that don't think he is better than that. And the truth is that I think often evaluations after a guy has signed become effected by where they signed at, not on any actual progress they made. Conversely, I think too many people in the IU fan base would say that if we signed a guy that was ranked 219th on 247 that we settled. Painter seems to be getting a pass/credit right now because of the success of the program the last couple of years. If all it took to be right in the future was to be right in the past, then I would assume after players like Oladipo/Sheehey/Anunoby would have translated to Crean consistently getting underrated finds. There is an awful lot of luck involved. It seems to me it wasn't long ago that Purdue went through a string of underperforming players leaving the program.

Would have preferred he went to Alabama. Going to LSU speaks volumes, IMO.

I know I sound old as well, but this all started with LeBron’s televised special to announce which organization had the honor of paying him hundreds of millions of dollars.

Romeo's dad holds up adidas IU socks when Romeo commits to IU.....it's national news. Yet Wade and Sean Miller have kept their jobs and UNC gets zero penalty for making fake classes.

I would put the over/under on the odds that Hardaway and Memphis are getting their recruits by legal means at zero. And I'd take tge under.

I don't ever recall hearing that we could have had McKinley Wright but Archie's hands were tied. I do recall Archie telling him that he wished he would honor his commitment to Dayton but that he could come to IU if he wanted to.

I really don't think that's the case....most definitely not in a 2 year period and I would guess that it likely doesn't happen in three year periods. This past offseason, there have been 108 grad transfers that have committed to 94 schools. No school has more than 2 grad transfers. About half of those players were 'down transfers', transferring from high major to mid or low or mid to low major transferring out of D1. I believe that this season there were 5 grad transfers total coming into the Big Ten.

Y'all are missing what's hidden in plain sight: Joey Brunk working on his perimeter footwork and deep shooting sees him emerge as a guard/center hybrid.

Nebraska's incoming transfers: Derrick Walker from the University of Tennessee. Was a three star recruit in 2017, ranked 270th by 247. Averaged 1.4 points and 1.7 rebounds last year. Will have to sit out this season. Will have two years of eligibility. Haanif Cheatem, graduate transfer. Averaged 13 points and 5 rebounds in 10 games at Florida Gulf Coast. Season ended when he had shoulder surgery. This will be his third stop after first transferring from Marquette. Matej Kavas, graduate transfer from Seattle. 10 point/5 rebound guy who also suffered injuries. Cam Mack, JUCO transfer. 247 ranks him as just the 25th best incoming JUCO and 422nd best incoming 2019 player. Dalano Banton. Will have to sit out next year before having three years of eligibility. Averaged 3.4 points, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists at Western Kentucky as a freshman. Shamiel Stevenson. Transfer from Nevada but never actually even played there. His history.: committed and played at Pittsburgh in 2017. Was the a high 200 ranked freshman. Did have a decent freshman season, averaging 8.5 points. Pittsburgh changed coaches in the offseason between 2017-8 and 2018-9 and he announced he would transfer....then changed course and came back to Pittsburgh. Fell out of the rotation and transferred midseason to Nevada. Am I missing something? I'm not sure I'd offer up this group as evidence of Hoiberg working his magic. Grad transfers I get as they are one year no risk rentals when you have scholarships to give, but take a look at the other guys who will now take up scholarships for two or three years: Walker, Mack, Banton, and Stevenson. Would we be happy offering any of those guys taking up multiple years of scholarships? Walker couldn't get on the court with Tennessee, Banton wasn't playing all that much for a mid major, Mack is a JUCO type of player that doesn't typically garner major offers and Stevenson is now on this third team in three years.

There is something to having an elite football program in terms of athletic department revenue. We don't.

Some interesting information here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/sports/march-madness-one-and-dones/?utm_term=.aa1c3eabfb0d Something I was shocked to see was the number of teams that had a projected one-and-done player on their team that failed to make the tournament. There were eleven teams in the NCAA that had projected one and dones this year. Five of those eleven did not make the tournament. Of the six that did, 3 had multiple one and done players. 3 had just one. The teams that had multiple one and dones were seeded 1, 1, and 2. The eight teams that had a single one and done were seed 3, 11, 12, and the other five didn't make the tournament. What seems to be the case is that success in the tournament (and season) tends to come from fully adopting a one-and-done philosophy OR building a more veteran team with players that stick around. It looks like it's hard to go halfway. Since 2006, there have been 87 teams that have had a single one-and-done on their roster. 22 missed the tournament; just 44 of those 87 made it past the first round. Meanwhile, there have been 10 teams with multiple one-and-dones. All made the tournament and all won their first game. Only one failed to make the sweet sixteen. Half made the final four and four were in the title game. Can't say exactly why teams who have a single one and done really don't do well -- certainly there might be something to the theory that there is conflicting goals between the other players and the one and done -- but it's pretty undeniable that the talent a single one and done player brings to a team has resulted in an underachievement of results given that talent.

Timeline at North Carolina: morning of April 23: #4 ranked player and combo guard Cole Anthony signs with North Carolina afternoon of April 23: #68 ranked player and combo guard Anthony Harris signs with North Carolina. grad transfer shooting guard Christian Keeling and swingman Justin Pierce visit North Carolina. April 26: Justin Pierce signs with North Carolina. May 2: Christian Keeling signs with North Carolina. That's a bounty of guard play that North Carolina picked up. That said, we'll never know if Anthony Harris had waited ten days to sign if he would have signed there. It's certainly going to be difficult to see him getting many minutes next year. I don't think we can blame kids for waiting so long to commit. With the state of transfers and the NBA deadline getting pushed back so far to allow you come back to school, they aren't really getting a real clear picture.

I don't like it either, but from a top 50 kid point if view I understand it. At that point you know which coaches are where, what players have transferred, and mostly where players stand in terms of the draft. I do wonder a little if Harris would have chosen North Carolina had he known that Christian Keeling would transfer to UNC. That makes 4 freshman guards plus a grad transfer coming in. And Keeling is very good.

Justin Sueing (California) announced his transfer to Ohio State). Will sit out the 19-20 season and have two years left. He averaged 14 points and 6 rebounds at California from the small forward position. Kind of hard to read how good he was....Cal was horrible (8-27). He shot 43% from the field and only 30% from three. Does get to the free throw line at a good rate.

Let's give credit where it's due -- in just two years, Miller brought in a player from St Joseph's county (whom, let's not forget, was a guy whom was a huge Purdue lean) and a player straight out of West Lafayette. I'd say the last two years are more relevant to look at.

While I disagree on some things Brass Cannon posts, he's spot on here. And no one forces you to respond to any post here if you don't like it....which is why I'll join the ignoring Gradman group.

One thing I will say is that while we lost our top scorers and a couple of good rebounders, we certainly aren't losing our best defenders. Morgan was decent, Romeo despite being a big guard was lacking. I feel that we were defensively on course. I'd rather be in a position of good defense and bad offense than being mediocre at both because it's easier to focus on the problem.

Agree. Quinones is ranked 60th in this class. 60 guys per class are not NBA level talent unless you count the cup of tea guys. It's fine to have NBA aspirations based on working to get there. It's not fine to assume that getting there is based on a coach leaving you in to take more shots regardless of whether you are hitting.

When back and reread the quote and you ate correct. That said, you stated that we are on option G. If that were the case, Wyndham would have been given an offer. Sean East would have been given an offer. Option G type of recruits are usually offers that shouldn't be given scholarships. I would argue that unlike Crean, Miller stops before it gets to option G.

And again....none of that legitimizes calling TJD an 'option G' player. All it does is try to spin it away from an idiotic statement.

None of that legitimizes calling TJD "option G". Simply put, that's a ludicrous statement.