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Especially considering what had just been called on the other end.

Agree. This is why I hate when people say refs don't decide games. No, they don't decide them alone, but they absolutely impact the outcomes, sometimes in big ways. Towards the end of the Zags game there was a position where a Gonzaga player penetrated and barely got bumped at all, and the refs called a foul. Chris Webber went on during the free throws about the new "freedom of movement" rules. Very next possession UNCG penetrates and the defender completely blocks his path and reaches in to knock the ball out, and the refs call nothing. The play-by-play guy said something like "I guess that wasn't freedom of movement". The UNCG guy got mauled, while on the previous possession the Gonzaga guy barely got brushed with a bump.

Wait, is that more impressive than have 20,000 posts on a college basketball message board over a 10 year period?

Morgan is plenty for the post offensively. He absolutely draws double teams down there. I agree we need one of the bigs to develop, but more for defensive purposes so Morgan doesn’t have to try and guard other dominant bigs that have a huge size advantage on him. We need bigs for defense when we play schools like MSU, OSU, Duke, Purdue, etc.

I love how you said “probably”, as if there’s a chance some posters have a better handle on IU recruitments than Archie!?!?

Because we don’t have a guard even remotely close to as good as Carr is, and we don’t have a wing that can get baskets like Lamar Stevens can. If you put Carr and Stevens on IU Carr would be our best player and Stevens a close 3rd to Morgan.

Guys, he played Juwan at times this season in the first half with 2 fouls. Not all the time, but there times it happened. Let’s not create a narrative that isn’t there.

There were some games where Juwan had 2 fouls early and came back in to play in the first half. I think tonight with only 5 minutes left, you hope you can weather it until the half.

Also, Tony Bennett went 15-16 and 16-15 his first two years at UVA. Coaches need their guys.

We need to outbid the G-League. Honestly, without Morgan back we probably miss the NIT again, and I’m an Archie fan.

Sean Miller will be at the press conference, so doubt he's getting fired.

They need to hope that freshmen big, Fernando, stays, but even with Jackson, Huerter and Cowin they'll be good. I've seen Fernando in a lot of mocks in the 1st round. I think it would serve him well to come back and try to become a lottery pick, but I don't know his situation at all.

Agree completely. The two biggest things IU needs right now are consistency (Morgan, McRoberts, Green, Smith, Durham, Thompson) and a talent upgrade (hopefully Langford, Hunter, Phinisee, Anderson and hopefully a good grad transfer), and those two things need to be balanced. Losing too many guys from the current team would not be a good thing.

I've been saying these same things. Since Gatorade sponsored the D/now G-League. That's the way to begin to clean some of this up. I guess it just rubs me the wrong way when you have guys like LeBron and Van Gundy out there ripping the NCAA and calling it corrupt, wen their organization and in some cases LeBron personally, are a big part of that corruption. It's just hugely hypocritical IMO, and I wish someone would call them on it.

I don't know that it really makes sense to punish a program for players leaving early. Now you're in a situation where those one and done type kids can't go to the NBA and the NCAA is essentially colluding to for schools not to recruit them. Then what happens with a kid like OG? Is IU basically punished because he exceeded expectations and was able to leave early?

If I was the NCAA, Mark Emmert, and college coaches I would be going on a PR offensive against the NBA, especially after Stan Van Gundy's rant the other day. I'd be putting things in the media about how poorly the NBA is vetting prospective agents and then monitoring them. How NBA agents are preying on poor, uneducated families, etc., etc. What are college coaches supposed to do when agents are essentially selling recruits? Put those stories and the one and done rule thing front and center in the media. Force the NBA to come to the table. Just to be clear, I'm a big NBA fan as well as college basketball fan. This isn't me trying to defend the NCAA, it's me trying to get all of the parties involved at the table to fix this mess, and the NBA is a huge part of the equation. I also don't like all the NBA coaches and players acting high and mighty in regards to college basketball, when their organization is a huge part of the problem. But again, I love the NBA just like I love college bball.

Isn't the entire point trying to get rid of the one and done rule so that players that have no desire or business being in college bypass it? Maybe the college game suffers, maybe it doesn't. I think seeing players like Oden, Durant, and so forth has definitely helped college basketball in terms of exposure and excitement, but are we trying to clean college basketball up, or not? You're proving my point on the agent thing. How is the NCAA supposed to police their players and coaches taking money and the process of essentially selling players to colleges when the NBA/NBAPA are so extremely lax on how they approve, vet and monitor THEIR agents? The NBA/NBAPA is getting away clean in all of this, when they're a huge, huge part of the problem.

I wasn't trying to change that fact, just stating that players have always been able to go right to the G/D-League after high school which most people aren't aware of. Not sure if it was this board or not, but I was one touting once the Gatorade deal was made that it was good to see the NBA finally start to try to turn the league into an actual viable option, and that real sponsorships and TV deal would could be what propels the league.

This is directly from the G-League website, and has always been the case... "Players must be 18 years old to be eligible for the NBA G League Draft, as opposed to the NBA’s age minimum of 19." http://gleague.nba.com/faq/

Who said that wouldn't be part of the solution? Players should be able to go right to the NBA. And, players currently can go straight to the G-League, problem is the money and exposure isn't there so nobody wants to. Why is the NCAA so corrupt (and it is, not saying it isn't), but the NBA isn't? Again, these are NBA sanctioned agents that are selling high school players to college coaches. NBA sanctioned agents! The one and done is an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule. Maybe the NBA should have a problem with their sanctioned agents brokering high school kids to the highest bidder? Yes, the NCAA is corrupt, but it's quite hypocritical for anyone in the NBA to be acting all high and mighty on the problems with AAU, high school and college basketball.

I’m not sure there are many coaches much worse. Since 2011, outside of K and Cal, nobody has recruited better than Arizona, and that includes Self at KU. So we either assume this was an isolated incident or he’s been doing this most of the time.

This goes way deeper than just the one and done rule. Everything we’re hearing about agents essentially selling players, those are NBA sanctioned agents. I also think Adam Silver is a very forward-thinking commissioner that while responsible for just the NBA, he actually cares about the overall health of the game. Also the louder blowhards like Van Grundy get and some the NBA players, the press will begin putting some focus on them. Basically, I think the NBA will come to the table at some point. The NBA needs to partner with the NCAA on regulation and putting policies in place to harshly punish agents found to break the rules.

Right, but the one and done rule is an NBA rule and the agents you speak of are sanctioned by the NBA. The NBA isn’t in danger from the FBI, but they are a huge cause of much of these problems.

Could be, but it would have to be a pretty weak “like” if he’s willing to push back the McDonald’s Game announcement. I’ve always maintained that the McDonalds Game announcement doesn’t mean it’s Vandy or KU, but if it is Vandy or KU the McDonalds Game is the only place that makes sense. So that he’s willing to potentially push that date is a big sign IMO.

Really good idea. If I was facing IU, I’d live with McRoberts beating me.