HoosierReb01

TD HHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!

That sounds like the D we need to play for 60 minutes today.

Having to wait for the Louisville game to get over here.

I go to Twitter automatically on the #iufb search, that popped up this afternoon.

Prayers for everyone involved in the tragedy at Oklahoma State.  Driving drunk is just stupid.   http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/oklahoma-state-cowboys-fatalities-vehicle-runs-into-parade-crowd-102415

Whether they win or not, is one thing. But if they come out and just go through the motions, then stick a fork in them, they're done.

You beat me in getting this up by one whole minute!

Unfortunately, as long as it takes, even if we change coaches. I'm not sure Tre as a true freshman was actually any better.    Going to address a few points from this entire thread, and even points I may have read elsewhere, so this isn't all about your point.    First, is recruiting. You can make the argument that recruiting has plateaued, but its hard to say that its slipping. Class size is extremely important in looking at team rankings from the recruiting services. Not sure why, but the 48th place class in 2013 as listed by 247 included 31 players, Rivals lists 26 recruits that year, and ranked the class 38th. This years class was ranked 49th (Rivals) or 51st (247) with 22 or 23 players respectively. The difference in class size alone is going to make a difference of a few spots. Either way, it would not have equaled the two earlier classes without the addition of several higher rated players. So you can make the argument that we slipped a bit last year, but its hard to justify calling it a trend. As far as this year goes, who cares at this point. As someone who follows IU football recruiting heavily, I can tell you that under CKW and staff, they are far more inclined to take commitments later, rather than earlier, and have no problem pursuing the recruits they want right up till they sign on the dotted line. Based on what I've picked up this year, IU is actively recruiting and getting plenty of interest from some very good recruits. How this class turns out is very much up in the air. However, if your only metric is team rankings for the class, it is most likely going to slip also, as its very likely at this point that this recruiting class is going to be several schollies less than any of the previous few years, and unless we have more attrition than expected, probably smaller than any I can find records on.   Second, I'm not sure that the idea of finding a defensive minded coach is any cure for the Hoosiers, it would definitely be a way of addressing our weakest point, but also would not take advantage of where are strengths are. You could argue that point back and forth forever, its pretty subjective. I'm just pointing it out.   Third, looking at the defense overall, I'm disappointed, but not surprised. There only a few bright points I see at this point. Our D-line is decent against the run, our defense has done their part in TO margin, although limited TO's from the offense should get the most credit, (Tied for 10th in FBS), and our red zone defense is respectable. The red zone defense is a bit misleading because so much of the scoring against IU is done from outside the red zone. The part that doesn't surprise me is the secondary. They were always a unknown heading into the season, and now that we "know" them, its hard to have even mediocre expectations. They show a lot of potential, but in any decent defensive team, that potential would be developed on the practice field for a season or two with limited playing time. Some great instincts, good potential, but its telling that it takes a trip to the locker room to get them focused to play for another 10-15 minutes. The best thing about freshmen is that it only lasts that one year.    Fourth, I'd point out that Coach Knorr has done pretty well as a DC in prior positions. And its not like he was at football powerhouses where he had a lot of great pieces to work with. I suspect, if he gets the opportunity, he'll do pretty good here also. I don't know how many times I've heard football coaches say, "Its not the x's and O's, its the Jimmies and Joes." I actually see potential for a decent D here, question is, will it get time to develop under this staff, or given time, will they develop it? Defensively, I really wish we had had a decent DC instead of Doug sooner, I think we would have developed quicker.   I could go one making arguments all day long, but those are just a few that have stood out to me. Several more I can't remember at the moment. My conclusions are probably more interesting anyway. Here they are.   At this point IU is 4-3. Injuries to Howard and Suds aside, we really needed a win in one of those 3 losses. Making a bowl game is a lot tougher at this point than it looked after a 4-0 start. It requires 2 wins either on the road and/or against tough ranked teams. (BTW, kudos to Harbaugh for UM's run at this point, as I was a real doubter that he would make that much of a difference that quick.) This team is capable of winning any of its last 5 games. Its also capable of losing all 5.    Lose all 5, and I'd say Glass consider keeping CKW for one more year, but its a hard sell no matter if you want to or not, and I really can't see it happening. Its still a hard sell if we only win 1 more and play competitive in the other 4. If we actually get 2 more wins, its got to be a automatic that he's back. What we need however, is to see enough to justify an extension. Sending this staff on the recruiting trail in the last two years of CKW's contract is a extremely tough row to hoe. He will be negatively recruited (and already is) because no recruit can realistically look at this staff being their coaches for 4 years, and that's often a huge selling point, particularly at a school with no record of football success.   You can look at all that as a defense of the staff, you can find negatives to justify canning CKW. Bottom line is this. There are 5 more games, and if they do what they need to out on the field the can kill all the speculation of a coaching change, or harden it into solid rock. At this point, just win.

Not even gong to touch the Wright-Baker one, I don't think he ever played college football after that year. Wynn was a CKW recruit. Latimer and Bolser were successes no doubt. But when you take the complete team as Lynch left it, quite a few were gone after CKW's first year, and many of them that were left, found themselves well behind freshmen that they had several seasons on. Lynch had some successes at recruiting, every other coach here has too. But there was not much here as a team when CKW showed up, lots of bodies, some talent here or there.

MSB once kicked a horse in the chin. Its descendants are known today as giraffes.

Oh, I agree. I already only vaguely remember that great ten minutes of football. The next 20 just cut any enjoyment I got out of it.

Exactly. Critical thinking requires recognizing both the positive and the negatives. To be completely positive, or completely negative is always going to be annoying. We had 30 minutes of decent football Saturday, followed by about 10 minutes of great football, followed by 20 minutes of absolute crap. That meant for about 40 minutes there was something positive going on. Too bad some people never have anything to say until the SHTF moments.

Yep. Plenty of blame. Pretty much says it all.

In the end, we have 5 more games, and he's definitely not going anywhere till the end of the season. A bowl game is definitely still in play. At this point, I could see this team winning any of the remaining five, or losing every one of them.

Keeping Coach McCullough would not happen. He has passed on a number of better job offers to remain with CKW. This is true of several on this staff who have stayed on.

IU 35 MSU 31   Why the hell not, my score has to be so low that the guys who don't even play are beating me!

Screwiest thing I never thought I'd ever say after a IUFB loss. "At least I have the Cubs!"

Cya!

Never take your foot off the gas. Period.

Discuss.

Hew, where the heck were you all game when there were actually some good things going on? 

We should be cruising to the W at this point, but we started cruising too soon.

Alright D, time for redemption.

Way thiss damn game is going, we are either going to win or lose by 3 touchdowns.