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I'm a 1987 IU grad, and I understand the way things were. In many respects, I'm glad they're not like that anymore.

Like...Neil Reed. And Lawrence Funderburke. And Luke Recker. And Mike Giomi. And Jason Collier. And Delray Brooks. And others who were "un-involved with the program." Do you really think the administration acted solely on the Reed video, and didn't have other player complaints?!? And you're calling me naive? Sigh.

Agree to disagree. (If allegations are true), parents DID NOT know that their kids would physically and verbally abused to that extent.

I can only speculate: He was a fantastic basketball coach Recruiting back then largely consisted of an in-home visit and an offer; no OVs or extended processes. You got Coach Knight or Wooden in your living room saying "I want you to play for me"...and that was all she wrote. I'm reasonably certain that if a high, high end recruit visited a practice, RMK was not flinging tampons at players with parents watching. Knight's recruiting suffered as he got older, and his transfer rate increased. Knight DID stress academics and discipline; an attractive pitch to most. A player that was belittled and potentially abused by Knight was probably scared sh_tless of him, and would not have been likely to speak to a recruit about it; imagine the Knight repercussions for doing so. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it quietly happened through back channels now and then. Recruits may have heard stories, but negative recruiting from other programs existed and they probably (rightly) took it with a grain of salt.

I'm quite certain that no 18 year old and their parents would have knowingly consented to the alleged behavior by Bob Knight. Can you imagine? Parents of a recruit: "Coach Knight, will you mentor and discipline my son with 'tough love'?" Bob Knight: "Yes; and I will do so by squeezing their balls, cracking a clipboard over their head, flinging tampons and excrement at them, and mocking their insecurities and facial tics." Parent: "Cool - tough love. Sign us up!" PS: I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, OR THAT JADLOW DOESN'T HAVE AN ULTERIOR PROFIT MOTIVE. BUT...THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A MOUNTING BODY OF (CIRCUMSTANTIAL) EVIDENCE, + THE IRREFUTABLE REED VIDEO.

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Let me summarize: Sandusky was pure evil. Paterno was a pathetic enabler. Knight was condescending and occasionally violent. For my kid I would choose "none of the above."

Well that's just a bunch of silliness. TB and Happ are far, far better players than at least two or three of their "top six". Also, if Nebraska wins seven B1G games, I will be absolutely shocked.

Well....if Purdoo is too slow, MSU has lost their two players over 6'8", and Wisky is overrated, who does that leave for the B1G's best team? I can't imagine which team that might be ;)

Every generation going back to pre-historic times thinks that "kids are soft these days." Don't believe me? I have an actual transcript of Cro-Magnum Mungf talking to his grandson, Caveman Brangh: Mungf: "Brgnngh mrgg MATDDCC nmmp Brangh klnckt!!" (translation: Brangh, you need to put down that spikeless club and beat your dead mastodon like a man.) Brangh: "Pssrrgh blrgh Grdbbc mlick oprd." (translation: Oh Grandpa, spiked clubs are sooooo mezzozoic.) So there.

If true, I'm pretty sure Darryl Thomas didn't come to IU expecting THAT.

Agreed about Jadlow, but I've learned enough to also know that we don't even know a small percentage of the bad stuff RMK did.

Glad that we currently have a coach that seems to be a quality human being to his very core.

This piece by Kravitz is not an opinion piece, and doesn't use any unnamed sources. Jadlow put him self out there, but whether one trusts Kravitz has very little to do with this article,

Time to stir the pot a bit; this one will get plenty of discussion, I suppose. For me? It's all but impossible to respect Bob Knight beyond his coaching prowess. I don't care that it was a different era; I grew up in that era and never met a man with Bob Knight's flaws. A Kravitz article from today about the life, Bob Knight years, downfall, and possible redemption of Todd Jadlow. Fascinating stuff: BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (WTHR) — Most of Todd Jadlow's new book, "Jadlow: On The Rebound," is about the former IU basketball player's horrifying and ultimately redemptive journey, about his headlong descent into a life of drugs, alcohol and finally incarceration. It shares, in stark and shocking detail, how far the former Hoosier fell, losing everything including his freedom, how his downward spiral had him thinking about suicide and praying every night that he wouldn't wake up the next morning. That's not the headline, though, in the recently-released book he co-wrote with former Indianapolis journalist Tom Brew. This is the headline: Jadlow alleges that former IU basketball coach Bob Knight physically and emotionally abused him and other players. He alleges: That Knight punched him in the back of the head with a closed fist during a walkthrough for an NCAA Tournament game against Seton Hall. That inside a sideline huddle during a 1989 game against Louisville – the game when Sports Illustrated famously captured a photo of the coach pushing Jadlow back onto the court -- Knight cracked a clipboard over Jadlow's head. That after an NIT game in New York City, an enraged Knight once dug his hands so deeply into Jadlow's sides, he left bruises. Jadlow includes a picture of the bruises Knight left; "It's weird because I never carried a camera," he was telling me Friday over a Stromboli at Nick's. "But I had this thought, 'You know, if I ever write a book about my experiences, I want to have a picture of what he did to me.' " That Knight made a habit, with Jadlow and others, of grabbing players by the testicles and squeezing. That Knight continually called Daryl Thomas a "(bleeping) p-----" and once instructed the managers to wallpaper Thomas' locker with pictures of female genitalia. Knight also liked to throw tampons at Thomas, who took more abuse than anybody on Jadlow's teams. That on the flight home after the 1986 NCAA Tournament loss to Cleveland State, Knight tore up the plane and ultimately grabbed Thomas by the neck and shook him violently. That Knight made sport of Jadlow's facial tic in front of the entire team; in the book, former IU teammate Mark Robinson wrote that Knight yelled at Jadlow, "If you don't stop the (bleeping) twitching, I'm going to throw your ass out of here." That during a practice, Knight forced Dean Garrett and Keith Smart to run hours of sprints while barking like dogs since they were, in his words, "playing like (bleeping) dogs." And that, Jadlow said recently, was just a partial accounting of Knight's excesses. "If he did those things today," Jadlow said, "he (Knight) would be in jail." And yet, he still reveres Knight. After all of that, he still sees Knight as a father figure. It's complicated, to say the least.Now, sitting here at Nick's with his daughter, Adriana, and a reporter, Jadlow knows there's going to be significant backlash. The Knight true believers will not accept Jadlow's version of events, or they will demean him as a recovering alcoholic and drug addict who is merely telling lies in order to sell a book. They will criticize him for lifting the curtain on Knight and life inside the IU program. He knows all of this. And he's ready. "It's definitely going to be interesting," he said. "But the reason for this book was to be completely honest and transparent. I wanted to tell the whole story of my life, tell people all the worst things I've done in my life and how I've hurt people, especially the ones I love. I wanted to be honest about all of it, my time at Indiana, everything." "I'm a Knight guy, I'm proud to have played for him and love him like a father; let's not mistake that," Jadlow said. "But this was the life we led when we were playing for him." "A lot of who he is, I took a lot from. Right or wrong, I took a lot from him. Some aren't good, like holding resentments, like if you've done me wrong once, I'm done with you. That's not right. Loyalty? You can be loyal to a fault. It's misguided, like me not coming back to the (1987) championship reunion (in 2011) out of loyalty to Coach Knight. In hindsight, I deeply regret that decision." During the writing of the book, Jadlow and Brew attempted to reach out to Knight to give him the opportunity to respond, but they were told by an intermediary that he was not interested. WTHR also called and e-mailed a Knight confidante to offer a chance to share his side of the story. We were told that Knight would not be offering a response. Again, though, the Knight material is the headline, the stuff that will end up making national news. The greater story, the one Jadlow hopes won't get lost in the Knight conversation, is the one about his decline into alcoholism, drug addiction and incarceration. This is the CliffsNotes version of that story. "You know what I remember?" she said, speaking to her father. "The plate. Dad, remember that plate with the big chip in it that was always around the house? I never knew what was on that plate; I thought maybe it was flour or something. I had no idea. But then one day, I figured out that it was cocaine and a straw. I remember going near it one time to look at it, and you went crazy telling me to leave it alone. That's when it all started to make sense to me."Adriana Jadlow, Todd's 20-year-old daughter and a sophomore at Kansas State, is picking at a turkey burger, and the memory comes out of thin air. Todd looked up from his food and looked horrified, mortified. What have I done to my children? Jadlow was a relatively straight laced kid growing up in Salina, Kansas. But he didn't live in a happy home, where he said his parents, his teachers, everybody told him he'd never amount to much of anything. He was also hazed and bullied unmercifully, largely because of a facial tic that had him wondering if he was suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. He tried alcohol once when he was 14 – "It made the pain go away," he said – and he tried marijuana once, although the latter did nothing for him. While at IU, he largely behaved himself, in great part because Knight had no tolerance for that sort of thing. But after his senior year, he was preparing for the NBA Draft when a teammate at the time called him. "Come by my apartment," he told Jadlow. "I've got something for you." In fact, while driving to Bloomington North High School Friday morning to speak to a class, Jadlow stopped by that old teammate's apartment and pointed it out to Adriana. "That's where it all began," he told her. "Man, I liked it. Something about the euphoria. It was 'Todd's secret.' A walk on the wild side, and that fascinated me. It enticed me and drew me in."Jadlow saw the cocaine, a drug he'd never seen before, then told himself, "This is going to be a one-time thing. Just once. Never again." So he snorted a line. He snorted more lines. He loved the euphoria, the sense of invincibility, the way the pain seemed to dissipate. Later that night, he walked to Assembly Hall, where he had a key to the building and the bank of lights, then started shooting hoops with a fraternity buddy. "I felt like I could jump out of the gym," Jadlo said. Now, talking to the high school students this past Friday, Jadlow was illustrating how that one-time-thing became his life – and his ultimate downfall: "I wish they would have told me then that after that first drink or first line of cocaine that I would end up being humiliated and shamed, that I would lose my kids, that I would be incarcerated and labeled by a judge as being a risk to society," he said. "I wish that they had told me that I would have my house taken, my cars taken, my clothes, everything. I wish they had told me that I was going to take a revolver and put it in my mouth and I was going to sit there shaking and contemplating whether to pull the trigger. I wish they would have told me that all I'd want to do was die." Jadlow went on to play professionally overseas for 12 years, and despite his lifestyle, he had plenty of personal and team success. But the drinking was worsening. The cocaine use was completely out of control. "It got to the point where I cared more about the party afterwards than I did the actual game," Jadlow said. "Cocaine was my prize. How crazy is that?" During his time playing basketball in Argentina, he befriended a man who happened to be a general in the Bolivian cocaine cartel. "At one time, I had 20 kilos in my apartment, 20 bricks of coke," he said. "That scared me. It was the first time I ever thought that I'm in over my head. This guy starts telling me stories, tells me, 'If you need anybody taken care of, don't worry, we'll take care of it.' I'm thinking, 'What am I doing? This is total lunacy.'" It didn't diminish his taste for the drug, or for alcohol, or for the lifestyle that he had created. By 2013, he was completely out of control, then finally hit rock bottom. Jadlow was busted four times in six months for driving under the influence. Four times in six months. Two of those DUI's came the very same day. The second one of the day came with Jadlow driving 121 miles per hour drunk and high with his then-2 year old in the backseat. "The judge told me if I'd gotten four DUI's in six months, it meant I'd probably driven drunk 4000 times," Jadlow said. "But my luck ran out and it was time to pay." With alcoholics and addicts, it's not just the alcoholics and addicts who suffer. Jadlow has five children, and they suffered. "I lived with my dad my sophomore year of high school," Adriana said. "I didn't understand what was happening, why he was starting to take things out on me, why he would say, 'I want to kill myself.' I was oblivious to the fact he was drinking until it got really bad and I moved out. After that, I hated him, didn't want to talk to him, wanted nothing to do with him. Then Dec. 11, 2013, the day he got arrested, I had just finished a big rivalry basketball game, and I looked at my phone and saw all these messages. 'Are you related to Todd Jadlow? Is Todd Jadlow your dad?' And then one of my best friends sent me a picture of him on the news with him being arrested." It still kills Jadlow that on senior night, all the parents accompanied their daughters on the court to be celebrated. All the parents, except one. Jadlow was in jail. Even recounting it now, in front of the Bloomington North students, his voice cracks with emotion. Remember that 2-year old who was in the back seat when Jadlow was popped for going 121 miles per hour while intoxicated? ” "I didn't see her for 15 months, and then I'll never forget this, I finally got to see her under a supervised setting," Jadlow said. "As my daughter walked in, she hid behind the lady who was proctoring the visit and I heard her say, 'No Dad, no Dad.' She didn't even want to see me. I could see this look in her eyes -- 'What did you do? How could you abandon me like that?'" Even still, it took Jadlow time to look in the mirror and see who he had truly become. For months, he denied that he had a significant problem that was going to someday kill him and cause more pain for his family. He was still Todd Jadlow, the pro basketball player – not one of these losers who end up behind bars. Over time, though, he began to see the light. "I'll never forget sitting in jail and I got down on my knees," he said. "I grew up in a Catholic family, but somewhere I lost my way, lost my higher power. I said, 'God, either show me a better way to live or take me the hell out of here.' At almost the same time, I got a letter from Adriana, saying, 'God never gives his soldiers battles that they can't handle; he saves his toughest battles for his warriors.' That's when I started my relationship back with Christ, and started to understand what I'd done and the damage I had caused. And I knew there was a way to recover." Jadlow did a year in jail, then spent three months in a work-release program and three months in a halfway house, all while being under probation. He said he has been sober for three years, and now wants to dedicate all his time and efforts to speaking to groups, to schools especially, all in the hope that those kids don't make the same mistakes he did. And yes, there's something selfish about that undertaking, too, which he acknowledges. "It's very therapeutic for me to tell my story," he said. "I get as much out of it as they do. Talking about it keeps me on the right path. If I'm going to talk the talk, I've got to walk the walk. I don't want to be a hypocrite or a fraud. "I hate the word relapse, man, hate it. In my mind, I still have that thought that there's nothing I can't do if I just put my mind to it. They say that on average, it takes seven rehabs before you actually get sober. But I'm not going to do it (relapse). I know how one decision to do one thing will lead to the next and the next and the next, and next thing I'll be right back to where I was and I'll lose everything." He smiled. It was a peaceful smile. "I'm never going back to that place."

Purdoo will be good, but are as susceptible as ever to a team that runs 'em and presses. I'll take TB over Haas, OG over Swanigan, and RoJo/JBj over Thompson and Mathias ever day and always. And yet, the two teams are being given approximately the same pre-season placement. I know I'm IU-biased, but I don't see them as equal squads.

Only if you crystal ball gaze and assume the worst. My (I think) realistic expectations for the '16/'17 rotation? Center: Bryant, backed up by DeRon Davis and Emmitt Holt, Maker as a pipe dream. PF: Holt, DeRon Davis, Juwan Morgan, Leaf/Bridges as a pipe dream. SF: Hartman, OG, freshman 4 star (Jenkins, Stevens, Leaf/Bridges as a pipe dream) Guards: Rojo, JBJ, Newkirk, one more four star-ish addition. Assuming normal player development, that seems like an excellent talent/experience level mix. Certainly as good as our B1G competition's talent level and experience. Absolutely a top 25 roster at a minimum! If the coaching is good enough, we are fine and then some. If the coaching is good enough. I'm gonna quote/defend myself, because if Emmitt Holt had stayed away from booze-related troubles, I had nine rotation players pegged (I never imagined that Flyin' Freddie or Devonte existed)!

@TomCrean tearing up about @troywilliams_ melts my heart Troy Williams @troywilliams_ Forever be my guy/father figure/and even more. He helped me so much. Super great conversation with him today. https://twitter.com/caitthom/status/789980185273720833 …

CuJo! A few mistakes but he is very quick and his handle is excellent for a 6,4" guard. ALL the guards looked really good. JBj and Newkirk were confident and excellent. DeRon is big and will be helpful by January. No Juwan tonight, who will also be a key guy. We. Are. DEEP. I learned more from the BTN practice special, but this was a bit of fun too.

Any "Kris Wilkes Dad" chants?

Jeff Goodman ✔ @GoodmanESPN Brooklyn Nets announce they have waived Yogi Ferrell.

Grizzlies beat writers' final roster predictions: OK, projection time: Who will be on the final 15-man roster for the Memphis Grizzlies? Siskin- Marc Gasol, Mike Conley, Tony Allen, Chandler Parsons, JaMychal Green, Zach Randolph, Wade Baldwin IV, Deyonta Davis, Troy Daniels, James Ennis, Brandon Wright, Jarrell Martin, Vince Carter, Troy Williams, Andrew Harrison. So long Jordan Adams. Stephens, Selden, Hunter all go play in Iowa with the Energy. Hubbard Jr.- Well, Grizzlies fans might disagree but here goes…You have your core players in Conley, Gasol, Randolph, and Allen. You have your wing in Parsons with the starting five. Then you have JaMychal Green and D.J. Stephens. You have your bench players in Wright, Baldwin, Davis, Jarell Martin, Troy Williams, Troy Daniels, Vince Carter, and the last player will be James Ennis. Goodbye to Jordan Adams and Andrew Harrison. Lucas- Conley, Baldwin, Harrison, Allen, Daniels, Carter, Adams, Parsons, Ennis, Randolph, Gasol, Green, Martin, Wright, Davis. No Stephens, no Williams. Conner- Right now, I still don't see any changes. I think the fifteen contracts that they've got will be the ones that they take into the start of the season (Conley, Parsons, Gasol, Randolph, Allen, Carter, Daniels, Ennis, Baldwin, Adams, Davis, Martin, Green, Harrison, Wright). If I had to go out on a limb with a roster move hot take, though, I'd guess they ditch Adams in order to keep Williams. Yeung- Conley, Parsons, Gasol, Z-Bo, Wright, Allen, Carter, Daniels, Ennis, Baldwin, Deyonta, Jarell, JaMychal, Harrison, Troy Williams. See ya Jordan Adams and D.J. Stephens. Oh, and Ryan Hollins on call. Mullinax- I think there is a clear what they should do and what they will do here. Fourteen of the fifteen names are the same regardless- Conley, Baldwin, Harrison, Allen, Daniels, Carter, Parsons, Ennis, Green, Randolph, Martin, Gasol, Wright, Davis. Those guys should be locks- Carter bring a valuable veteran presence to an inexperienced bench, plus he could be a valuable trade piece. Harrison has too much size and capability to play any wing position to lose that versatility. What they should do with spot #15? Give it to Troy Williams. Send him to Iowa to get game reps. Ship him to and from Iowa, keep him around and develop him, seeing as how Vince Carter is likely gone after this season. That would mean parting ways with Jordan Adams, but he will almost certainly never be again what he was even in flashes for the Grizzlies. Who knows what Williams will be as a finished product, but his ceiling today is higher than Adams is. Now, will they do this? Probably not. I see Memphis keeping the fifteen contracts they have and hoping Adams can get healthy for a post All-Star run. But they have to decide on next season by October 31st, as our Matt Hrdlicka pointed out on Twitter, so time may not be on Adams’ side. If he can’t play this year, maybe this is indeed the time they look in to ways to parting with the contract. But they would really have to love Williams or Stephens to deal with an Adams release. Perhaps they do. Williams is especially tantalizing. Another year, another end-of-the-bench bit of drama in Memphis.

MSU center Gavin Schilling has knee surgery and is out indefinitely. Without him and Carter they are a much lesser team.

Oh, puhleease. Not trying to get crocodile tears. Just wondering why all the Dukie love above and beyond IU love, right down to your Coach K signature line on each post, on an IU board. Don't want to derail the thread any further; probably shouldn't have to begin with. Move this back to IUBB.

How so? Geez, I always have found you an entertaining (and honest) poster, but the inferred theme lately that you prefer Duke and Allen to anything currently at IU is notable. And I'm not sure why.