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  Not quite yet, but hopefully soon.   How good can he get?  Try this:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp_ctfAhMZU

    Hmmm. Who would have ever thought that picking on Nips and supporting Colts would be so well received.

    How dare you criticize Naples Hoosier's spelling of Italian slang words! (His spelling is much better when he has a couple Johnnie Walkers in his belly). ______________________________________________________________________________________   All snarkiness (?) aside, you could have a lot of fun on this board.   I like strong opinions. I don't have to agree with them to want to see them. You have experience and real interest with in-state hoops.   Why can't you put the condescension and rambling aside (just a little) and be an asset to this board? I'd be a huge fan of the prospect of that happening.

    Damn, Nips...I had to look that one up!  Too funny:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010aaw1Ajo0

   

  ^^And there you have it! ^^   A succinctly stated summary of the downside of Tom Crean as IU's basketball coach. In my opinion, if one thinks Crean is a lost cause...this is all that needs to be said.

  Yup...tons of contradictions:   Luke Fischer is cited as an out-of state miss because he's a bad fit. Hell, he was a great fit, Troy Williams, who GoColts thinks is fantastic, went a long way toward Fischer packing up and going home due to Troy's complete freshman personal immaturity. Fischer from the Midwest. From the land of Bo Ryan! Apparently, Northern Michigan or Eastern Ohio would be fine, but Southern Wisconsin is an example of reaching far out of state. Good basketball IQ.   April cited as an out-of state miss. From Illinois, played one year out state. Terrible basketball IQ.   Perea not mentioned and is the reverse of April. From far away; played one year of hs and AAU in Indiana. Sub-zero basketball IQ.   Priller in the maternity ward in Indiana! (lol).   Hollowell? Indiana through and through. The worst basketball IQ imaginable.   Holt's "best finish is seventh in the Big Ten" Seems to have fantastic bball instincts.

  IMO...this response is absolutely low class. ________________________________________________________   I expressly said that I think you are a welcome poster who prompts evocative off-season discussion. But this comment does make me think of a negative assessment of you personally:   Thin-skinned.

  Yes...I get it. Sheehey was a "fine role player" who could not carry a team. "Holt's best finish is 7th in the Big Ten" (especially interesting in that you seems to be inferring that Holt, as a freshman who arrived last August, was in any way responsible for last year's finish, be it seventh, first, or 14th).  Do you really think this logic convinces anyone that we should have replaced them with in-state low rated recruits?   Finally: You are now stating that if Crean unequivocally succeeds this season it will have very little effect on your opinion?!?   While I admire your ability to make your point and stick to it, that, in my opinion, is a huge credibility killer.

  So tell me, GC; make a stand:   OG Anunoby is a straight A student, has great athleticism, apparently is a very willing defender, and is a low rated recruit; not just out of the top 100, but out of the top 200 on most services. He will likely need at least one year to earn any substantial minutes in the rotation.   He is also from (shudder) Jefferson City, Missouri.   I am glad the staff identified him and convinced him to come on board. Are you on record stating that offering and signing him was a flat out bad decision?

  Absolutely, and I believe the staff tries to do exactly that; fill in the 3 star recruits with kids from the three/four state area. They don't always succeed, but they try. That's why we got Etherington, Hartman, Devin Davis, Dumes, Abel, Zeisloft, VJones, Pritch, Capo, many, many walk-ons (some of whom were offered D1 schollys elswhere) and others.   The staff thought that April had potential, more so than a kid like Zach McRoberts or Derek Smits, and had a wide open scholly very late in the game. Complete miss. They also thought that Hoetzel and Bawa had more potential. Nope - wrong and wrong, and you pissed off a local high school coach of kids like Bryson and Brenton Scott who didn't get a chance to be recruited by IU. MSB? Nice kid and a wide open scholly. Ooops - missed again.   They also thought that Emmitt Holt, Will Sheehey, and Victor Oladipo had more potential than similarly rated in-state kids. Winners! This year they feel the same way about OG (who, by the way, is a zero star recruit). Where's the GoColts outrage about bringing him in? Oh right, he hasn't failed yet.     I don't care for the strawman arguments; pre-supposing an untrue negative conclusion and then riffing off of it.

Stan was a pretty high level recruit. There was no reason to bring in April without knowing whether he had the requisite work ethic. April was a flat out miss. It happens.

  I think you are missing the point many here are making: the reason that IU has not had the success of Wisky and MSU is NOT largely because of recruiting, talent level, or whether the current players "get" what makes Indiana tick.   It is largely because Izzo and Ryan (and Stevens, and Knight) are superb instructors of basketball, and superb in-game basketball coaches. Can Tom Crean coach up a group of players to the highest level of success? I hope so.

He should have magically absorbed the "Indiana basketball fairy dust" during his one year of high school ball at LaLu!

I guess because I forgot to put "tic" next to MSB's birthplace that is grounds for criticism of all of the counters to extensive rambling. Oooh...Knight got lazy. there's a solid defense of why he did things the right way and Crean doesn't! Are you really criticizing Bryant, Rojo, and Sheehey! Holy crap. Hanner played his high school ball in Indiana. Does he count as an Indiana kid?

  Geez, GoColts...I mean, Old Friend...if ADD was contagious, I might have caught it from your post.   The strawman argument that you made was when you riffed off of your supposition that Purdue and Painter somehow "get it" by caring more about in-state recruiting. The answers that have followed absolutely refute that.   You slingshot off of that into..SQUIRREL!!!        Into how our roster has too much dead weight, citing players like Stan, Max H, Bawa, (out of state guys from different Crean squads), Priller (born in Indiana), and Fischer (not dead weight!). Do you think that Purdue, MSU, etc are without dead weight? Have we had any in-state dead weight?   Then you get to how Bob Knight had it much more squared away; even though AAU was not a national game back then and guys like Mandeville, Lindemann, and Haris Mujzevinovich (sp) were in the Knight mix too. Uhhmmm, as hard as it is to believe, Coach Knight went out of state on a hit and miss basis too.   Just when you get started on Coach Knight...SQUIRREL!!!     Off we go to Butler; after all they beat TEXAS (gasp) last year before losing!  Bo Ryan and Tom Izzo's success, in part determined by how many in-state kids they have? Could it be also because Ryan, Izzo, Knight, and Stevens are a cut above as coaches?...   Anyway, just when we are into a discussion of how Bo and Izzo win with in-state we ...SQUIRREL!!!     Start in on how our out of state players are "mediocre" (with a special shout out to east coast prioritization).  Hell, our west coast recruits (Hoetzel, Story and April) kinda sucked, but our east coast guys!!!???!!! I'm probably missing a couple, but our east coast recruits under Crean have been: Thomas Bryant, Victor Oladipo, Emmitt Holt, Rob Johnson, Jeremiah Rivers, Troy Williams, Noah Vonleh, Will Sheehey, and Stan Robinson. That's a freakin' Tom Crean all-star team!    Our biggest 'problem recruits'? Hollowell (Indiana), Patterson (Indiana), DevDavis (Indiana), Robinson (east), Dumes (Indiana), and Danny Moore (just kidding!!).   In summary GC, welcome to board (it's the slow season, and you are hugely welcome as a guy that can stir the pot w/provacative stuff). However, this ain't the Scout board where there's no one to knock down nonsense.  Crean may not be the answer, but at least we should be honest about why; he just might not be a good enough basketball mind.   Oh, and ... and SQUIRREL!!! (I can't help, it, it's too much fun to 'squirrel people')    

  After this year we will have put two good seasons together. Not necessarily great seasons, but at a minimum good.

  Strawman argument. Posit a falsity like "Purdue DOES have in-state success...(and) The reason we're not having in-state success", and run with it!   CTC has had some real success in-state. Hulls, Zeller, Blackmon, Yogi, etc, etc, etc. Please don't cite Swanigan. His handler is a pro agent and a Purdue alum. Purdue's top six last year? Hammons (mostly in-state), Davis (in-state) Octeus (nope) Stephens (nope) Mathias (nope) Haas (nope). 1 and 3/4 out of six...Wow - Painter must not care about in-state kids that care!   Our top six last year? Yogi (in-state), Blackmon (yup), Rojo (nope), Troy (nope), Hanner (mostly no), Collinn (yup). Three + out of six (three + out of seven if you include Nick Z).    CTC doesn't get them all, and he doesn't get all the ones you wish he did; I get it. He gets some in-staters that were abject failures (Patterson, Hollowell, Etherington) and misses on some good ones.     The talent level at IU is high, the chemistry appears to be good for now. The bottom line for me? Can CTC coach 'em up well enough.

Thank you, new Kentucky recruit Jamal Murray, for revealing yourself.   Jamal's already got his exit visa from UK stamped for ten months from now. Quoteth Jamal: "But in the end, with Kentucky, coach (John) Calipari has a history of getting players to the next level, quick. We just have to focus on one year of hard work and dedication."   Hey Jamal...what's your major gonna be?

Tweets   @D1Circuit: Southern Stampede G Aljami Durham (@aldurham01) is on a visit to Indiana. #BigTen #Hoosiers @Southstampede   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Durham Steady At Elite 100 By Hoopnallovadaworld on Jun 19, 15   Last week in St. Louis at the Nike Elite 100 Camp, Courtcred got a chance to witness a ton of promising 2017 players. Many of those players will be finding their way onto multiple Top 100 ranking lists, and those that don't will still have a handful of Division I suitors on their trail. In a camp setting sometimes its tough to peg what a player can really do when everyone is hogging the ball, hoisting up bad shots, and trying their best to prove the naysayers wrong as to what they can't do. 6'4 Aljami Durham's game can be described as the opposite of what was stated in the previous line. Durham, a combo guard out of Berkmar High School in Georgia put in a really steady, some would even say surprising week of camp. To those who have watched him closely this year his play isn't surprising at all. Durham lead Berkmar High in scoring this season at around 17 points per game. His scoring then translated to a much more competitive field as he averaged around 13 points per throughout this years Nike EYBL league playing for the Southern Stampede. During last weeks camp, Durham seemed to get better and more comfortable as camp went on. The lefty hurt opposing defenses that left him open on the perimeter. As each shot went in you could sense the rising juniors confidence building up. When he slid over to the point position he was able to make the right plays off the bounce, and do simple things like feed the post correctly or perform the right defensive rotations. I think a big component of his game that is over looked is Durham's toughness. Originally from New York Durham might not have that tough look, but you will definitely not bully him. As of this Monday college coaches began putting calls in to recruits and Durham's phone continues to buzz. Durham's been contacted by Indiana, Miami, Memphis, UGA, USF, and Va. Tech. The July recruiting period is on the way, Courtcred will surely be monitoring Durham's progress.

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  It's not just their battlecry.

Boo Williams AAu + Huntington Prep + unofficial visit on his own dime. We've got a legit chance to reel in a good one.   CuJo + Miles Bridges. or Tony Carr + Lamar Stevens   Good times

Yes, please.

  To guarantee a conviction, because ya never know what jurors might do. To avoid the testimony of an informant who will have his credibility tested. To avoid cross examination of the police's practices. They will get their credibility tested too. To gain Allen's cooperation against Allen's supplier and co-conspirators. To save State Attorney Office and law enforcement time, resources, and money that can now be used toward other cases.