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    BottomLine got a reaction from Deserthoozier in The future of college recruiting and “blue bloods” if the NBA lowers draft age to 18   
    Knock off the top high schoolers 5 for the NBA and there will just be another top 5 on the list available for college.  A bigger concern might be the development league and kids skipping the college experience for that.  My feeling is that the college game will be better having kids play that want to go to college.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from LockdownD in Romeo Langford - Boston Celtics   
    Biggest hard luck player at IU had to be Glen Grunwald.  Was first team all state in Illinois for all FOUR years of high school and was Mr. Basketball his senior year.  Doubt Illinois ever had any better, but by the time he got to IU his freshman year he could hardly walk his knees were so bad.  Stuck it out for all four years and played but he was just a shadow of what he had been.  Still went on to have a very successful career as a NBA executive with the Nuggets and then was later GM of both the Raptors and the Knicks.  Despite being a team captain he only saw limited playing time for IU's 1981 championship team.  After basically sitting the bench because of his knees for four years at IU he was still drafted by the Celtics.  OH, what might have been.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Red1 in 2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves   
    Lots of yada yada yada on here but the reality is that 2018-19 is over and we are looking at 2019-20 now.  At this moment our starting lineup is 1) Phinisee, 2) Green, 3) Durham, 4) Smith, and 5) Davis.  I don't care where they come from, whether it is an improved player from off the bench, an incoming Freshman, or from someone off the grad transfer list, from this moment on we are looking for players that can BEAT SOMEONE OUT!  I don't want to know how good they will be in 3 or 4 years.  I want to know how good they will be next year, because if we are locked in to that starting five, I don't see significant improvement, though some improvement is to be expected from individual players from one year to the next.  I'm looking for players that make those five look over their shoulders every day and make them bust their butts to stay on top.  Any player that comes to IU and doesn't have a chip on their shoulder and looking for a spot to play, is probably a waste.  Nothing given and everything earned has to be the way to the future.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in What will it take to win #6   
    Hate to break the trend in the conversation but wanted to point out that with the Virginia win it is now 15 of the last 18 winners have a combined Pom offensive and defensive number that is 20 or below.  To win #6 IU needs to trend toward those numbers.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Stuhoo in 2019 April Evaluation Period   
    Hope we can add Hunter to that group.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in What will it take to win #6   
    Listened to the same interview and was impressed by what he had to say.  I go back to way before the Knight era and IU's swagger didn't start with him, it was there before.  That is what made IU so great.  Somehow we have lost that and I don't see us getting it back.  Being great is more than recruiting 5* and 4* athletes.  It is about an attitude that says, "We are Indiana and you aren't going to beat us on our home floor, and if you beat us anywhere else, you are going to know that you have been in a fight."  It was obvious that Greg knows all about that.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in What will it take to win #6   
    Listened to the same interview and was impressed by what he had to say.  I go back to way before the Knight era and IU's swagger didn't start with him, it was there before.  That is what made IU so great.  Somehow we have lost that and I don't see us getting it back.  Being great is more than recruiting 5* and 4* athletes.  It is about an attitude that says, "We are Indiana and you aren't going to beat us on our home floor, and if you beat us anywhere else, you are going to know that you have been in a fight."  It was obvious that Greg knows all about that.
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    BottomLine reacted to Alford Bailey in What will it take to win #6   
    You have to be good and then be a little lucky. We have to get back to being good somewhat consistently  and that gives us a chance to be lucky and hang another banner at some point.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in Romeo Langford - Boston Celtics   
    I stand corrected.  He did injure the knee in the summer before his freshman year.  Here is a quote from an article about Grunwald
    Of all of the outstanding high school basketball players I observed as a student and fan and covered as a sportswriter for four daily newspapers over a period of 50 years, two who stand out are Grunwald and Russell Cross.
    I'll always wonder how good they could have been, if they could have achieved the Hall of Fame stature of George Mikan or Harry Gallatin or Andy Phillip or Isiah Thomas or Dan Issel or Cazzie Russell or Jerry Sloan or Don Nelson or, upon his retirement, Kevin Garnett.
    They never had a chance.
    Grunwald, the only four-time All-State selection in Illinois history, was recruited out of East Leyden by Indiana coach Bob Knight. He chose Indiana over North Carolina and Kentucky. But he suffered a severe knee injury during the summer prior to his freshman year and never was able to fulfill his enormous potential.
    "Sure, I'll always wonder how good I could have been," he once told me. "It was tough not to succeed in basketball after high school. But I was part of a good college program and happy to be part of its success, however small. When you are injured, you feel you can get better. But the gradual realization is that it won't be the same."
    He was co-captain of Indiana's 1981 NCAA championship team that was led by Isiah Thomas. He was drafted by the Boston Celtics in the fifth round of the NBA draft but never played in the NBA. Instead, he focused on his education, earning a law degree, an MBA and an Honours business degree in marketing. He was a successful corporate attorney for major law firms, including Winston & Strawn in Chicago, before joining the Denver Nuggets.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Red1 in 2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves   
    Lots of yada yada yada on here but the reality is that 2018-19 is over and we are looking at 2019-20 now.  At this moment our starting lineup is 1) Phinisee, 2) Green, 3) Durham, 4) Smith, and 5) Davis.  I don't care where they come from, whether it is an improved player from off the bench, an incoming Freshman, or from someone off the grad transfer list, from this moment on we are looking for players that can BEAT SOMEONE OUT!  I don't want to know how good they will be in 3 or 4 years.  I want to know how good they will be next year, because if we are locked in to that starting five, I don't see significant improvement, though some improvement is to be expected from individual players from one year to the next.  I'm looking for players that make those five look over their shoulders every day and make them bust their butts to stay on top.  Any player that comes to IU and doesn't have a chip on their shoulder and looking for a spot to play, is probably a waste.  Nothing given and everything earned has to be the way to the future.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Red1 in 2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves   
    Lots of yada yada yada on here but the reality is that 2018-19 is over and we are looking at 2019-20 now.  At this moment our starting lineup is 1) Phinisee, 2) Green, 3) Durham, 4) Smith, and 5) Davis.  I don't care where they come from, whether it is an improved player from off the bench, an incoming Freshman, or from someone off the grad transfer list, from this moment on we are looking for players that can BEAT SOMEONE OUT!  I don't want to know how good they will be in 3 or 4 years.  I want to know how good they will be next year, because if we are locked in to that starting five, I don't see significant improvement, though some improvement is to be expected from individual players from one year to the next.  I'm looking for players that make those five look over their shoulders every day and make them bust their butts to stay on top.  Any player that comes to IU and doesn't have a chip on their shoulder and looking for a spot to play, is probably a waste.  Nothing given and everything earned has to be the way to the future.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Maedhros in 2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves   
    Grad transfers transfer for a reason, usually it is because they were not that successful where they came from and they are looking for the greener grass on the other side of the fence.  If they were great, they probably wouldn't be leaving their old school.  Sometimes they are right.  More often than not they are not.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in Romeo Langford - Boston Celtics   
    I stand corrected.  He did injure the knee in the summer before his freshman year.  Here is a quote from an article about Grunwald
    Of all of the outstanding high school basketball players I observed as a student and fan and covered as a sportswriter for four daily newspapers over a period of 50 years, two who stand out are Grunwald and Russell Cross.
    I'll always wonder how good they could have been, if they could have achieved the Hall of Fame stature of George Mikan or Harry Gallatin or Andy Phillip or Isiah Thomas or Dan Issel or Cazzie Russell or Jerry Sloan or Don Nelson or, upon his retirement, Kevin Garnett.
    They never had a chance.
    Grunwald, the only four-time All-State selection in Illinois history, was recruited out of East Leyden by Indiana coach Bob Knight. He chose Indiana over North Carolina and Kentucky. But he suffered a severe knee injury during the summer prior to his freshman year and never was able to fulfill his enormous potential.
    "Sure, I'll always wonder how good I could have been," he once told me. "It was tough not to succeed in basketball after high school. But I was part of a good college program and happy to be part of its success, however small. When you are injured, you feel you can get better. But the gradual realization is that it won't be the same."
    He was co-captain of Indiana's 1981 NCAA championship team that was led by Isiah Thomas. He was drafted by the Boston Celtics in the fifth round of the NBA draft but never played in the NBA. Instead, he focused on his education, earning a law degree, an MBA and an Honours business degree in marketing. He was a successful corporate attorney for major law firms, including Winston & Strawn in Chicago, before joining the Denver Nuggets.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Red1 in 2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves   
    Lots of yada yada yada on here but the reality is that 2018-19 is over and we are looking at 2019-20 now.  At this moment our starting lineup is 1) Phinisee, 2) Green, 3) Durham, 4) Smith, and 5) Davis.  I don't care where they come from, whether it is an improved player from off the bench, an incoming Freshman, or from someone off the grad transfer list, from this moment on we are looking for players that can BEAT SOMEONE OUT!  I don't want to know how good they will be in 3 or 4 years.  I want to know how good they will be next year, because if we are locked in to that starting five, I don't see significant improvement, though some improvement is to be expected from individual players from one year to the next.  I'm looking for players that make those five look over their shoulders every day and make them bust their butts to stay on top.  Any player that comes to IU and doesn't have a chip on their shoulder and looking for a spot to play, is probably a waste.  Nothing given and everything earned has to be the way to the future.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Red1 in 2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves   
    Lots of yada yada yada on here but the reality is that 2018-19 is over and we are looking at 2019-20 now.  At this moment our starting lineup is 1) Phinisee, 2) Green, 3) Durham, 4) Smith, and 5) Davis.  I don't care where they come from, whether it is an improved player from off the bench, an incoming Freshman, or from someone off the grad transfer list, from this moment on we are looking for players that can BEAT SOMEONE OUT!  I don't want to know how good they will be in 3 or 4 years.  I want to know how good they will be next year, because if we are locked in to that starting five, I don't see significant improvement, though some improvement is to be expected from individual players from one year to the next.  I'm looking for players that make those five look over their shoulders every day and make them bust their butts to stay on top.  Any player that comes to IU and doesn't have a chip on their shoulder and looking for a spot to play, is probably a waste.  Nothing given and everything earned has to be the way to the future.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from LockdownD in Romeo Langford - Boston Celtics   
    Biggest hard luck player at IU had to be Glen Grunwald.  Was first team all state in Illinois for all FOUR years of high school and was Mr. Basketball his senior year.  Doubt Illinois ever had any better, but by the time he got to IU his freshman year he could hardly walk his knees were so bad.  Stuck it out for all four years and played but he was just a shadow of what he had been.  Still went on to have a very successful career as a NBA executive with the Nuggets and then was later GM of both the Raptors and the Knicks.  Despite being a team captain he only saw limited playing time for IU's 1981 championship team.  After basically sitting the bench because of his knees for four years at IU he was still drafted by the Celtics.  OH, what might have been.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from LockdownD in Romeo Langford - Boston Celtics   
    Biggest hard luck player at IU had to be Glen Grunwald.  Was first team all state in Illinois for all FOUR years of high school and was Mr. Basketball his senior year.  Doubt Illinois ever had any better, but by the time he got to IU his freshman year he could hardly walk his knees were so bad.  Stuck it out for all four years and played but he was just a shadow of what he had been.  Still went on to have a very successful career as a NBA executive with the Nuggets and then was later GM of both the Raptors and the Knicks.  Despite being a team captain he only saw limited playing time for IU's 1981 championship team.  After basically sitting the bench because of his knees for four years at IU he was still drafted by the Celtics.  OH, what might have been.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from LockdownD in Romeo Langford - Boston Celtics   
    Biggest hard luck player at IU had to be Glen Grunwald.  Was first team all state in Illinois for all FOUR years of high school and was Mr. Basketball his senior year.  Doubt Illinois ever had any better, but by the time he got to IU his freshman year he could hardly walk his knees were so bad.  Stuck it out for all four years and played but he was just a shadow of what he had been.  Still went on to have a very successful career as a NBA executive with the Nuggets and then was later GM of both the Raptors and the Knicks.  Despite being a team captain he only saw limited playing time for IU's 1981 championship team.  After basically sitting the bench because of his knees for four years at IU he was still drafted by the Celtics.  OH, what might have been.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from LockdownD in Romeo Langford - Boston Celtics   
    Biggest hard luck player at IU had to be Glen Grunwald.  Was first team all state in Illinois for all FOUR years of high school and was Mr. Basketball his senior year.  Doubt Illinois ever had any better, but by the time he got to IU his freshman year he could hardly walk his knees were so bad.  Stuck it out for all four years and played but he was just a shadow of what he had been.  Still went on to have a very successful career as a NBA executive with the Nuggets and then was later GM of both the Raptors and the Knicks.  Despite being a team captain he only saw limited playing time for IU's 1981 championship team.  After basically sitting the bench because of his knees for four years at IU he was still drafted by the Celtics.  OH, what might have been.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in What will it take to win #6   
    Hate to break the trend in the conversation but wanted to point out that with the Virginia win it is now 15 of the last 18 winners have a combined Pom offensive and defensive number that is 20 or below.  To win #6 IU needs to trend toward those numbers.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in What will it take to win #6   
    Hate to break the trend in the conversation but wanted to point out that with the Virginia win it is now 15 of the last 18 winners have a combined Pom offensive and defensive number that is 20 or below.  To win #6 IU needs to trend toward those numbers.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in What will it take to win #6   
    Hate to break the trend in the conversation but wanted to point out that with the Virginia win it is now 15 of the last 18 winners have a combined Pom offensive and defensive number that is 20 or below.  To win #6 IU needs to trend toward those numbers.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in What will it take to win #6   
    Hate to break the trend in the conversation but wanted to point out that with the Virginia win it is now 15 of the last 18 winners have a combined Pom offensive and defensive number that is 20 or below.  To win #6 IU needs to trend toward those numbers.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in What will it take to win #6   
    Hate to break the trend in the conversation but wanted to point out that with the Virginia win it is now 15 of the last 18 winners have a combined Pom offensive and defensive number that is 20 or below.  To win #6 IU needs to trend toward those numbers.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in What will it take to win #6   
    Hate to break the trend in the conversation but wanted to point out that with the Virginia win it is now 15 of the last 18 winners have a combined Pom offensive and defensive number that is 20 or below.  To win #6 IU needs to trend toward those numbers.
     
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