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Yea. Raw NIL gets a school in a recruitment, if you don’t have the NIL you get dropped early, but the staff still has to close with the pitch to the player. Woody has consistently flubbed this, Haralson and Mullins being the latest examples. Heck I think our NIL offers were actually a fair bit higher than the schools they picked! Woody is that bad.

Yea. You’re right they keep in touch so Scott would know now.

$4M buyout to UM if we hire Dusty. Very doable.

Idk if Dusty leaves UM, but we have more NIL, easier transfer rules, and more fan support. It’s something.

It’s so funny. They will start strawman arguments over irrelevant points and ignore that their mighty Mike Woodson got completely blown out again. They are dreadful people.

Ha. If we replaced Woody with Cig and Cig was just sort of a CEO of the assistants and team, we would probably do better than the current setup. The Cig basics of accountability, not compromising standards, no self-imposed limitations, etc. would likely do wonders for this team, which currently has no such leadership.

Yea. Other way I think about it is IUBB is fast car: could be on the front row at Indy, it’s a Ferrari, whatever fast car you want to pick. We just need a driver. Woody can barely shift gears and he usually crashes during the race.

As an outsider I was excited for the hire. But, the hard part was in the interviews one would have needed to figure out he wouldn’t translate well to IU. That’s tough to do, but it’s why we pay ADs the big bucks. Oh well.

Yea, Glass was right to ignore Woody as an option, but he just got it wrong with Archie. Part of the issue was he didn’t have experience as an AD. I’m hopeful Scott has learned a lot of lessons from the failures he has observed over the years.

I think Quinn wanted to help his friend whose NBA career had hit a wall. His IU contract was 4x what he was making as an NBA assistant. Rich people love helping out their friends. They made up other nonsense to justify it -- he's an IU guy, he's a bridge, and he will be a stabilizer. The idea of hiring a coach on a shorter term basis to stabilize the program was total nonsense, nothing is more destabilizing than coaching changes. Anyways here we are. What a 3.5 years it's been.

I've got to hope for something! This is the only optimistic angle I can see with IUBB. When Scott points to FB revenue going up $10-20M and the $7M+ in free advertising Big Noon, GameDay, etc. brought the university, people are going to have to listen to him.

Yep. The one constant over the last 25 years -- people who aren't the AD meddling with the bball program. Donors, trustees, and the President do not know anything, ANY-THING, about running a successful bball program, including hiring/firing coaches. And even worse they're often severely conflicted. The meddling has happened in different ways over the years, but it's the constant. This sort of behavior will harm any organization, not just IUBB. Scott Dolson needs full autonomy and support to run the basketball program. I do not want to hear one peep about what Pete Yonkman, Cook, Simon, Ferguson, any trustee, etc. (collectively, the idiot "Stakeholders") think, want, or prefer. They have no idea what they're doing, and they all need to shut the hell up, NOT A PEEP, and let Scott do his job. The only thing they should be doing is sending donations. I am optimistic this has become clear. Scott has delivered massively on FB, everyone sees it, even people in the university not interested in sports. On top of that, Scott was right in wanting to move on from Woody last year. I'm hopeful everyone sees he is the only one who knows what he is doing and he has control now. But, there is always risk the Stakeholders can't help themselves.

Iowa might have less than half our NIL. $2-3M vs. our $6M and we got destroyed.

The rollercoaster that barely ever goes up. IUBB rollercoaster train leaves the station, does some bunny hills, and then derails and nosedives into the ground.

Woody is the King of getting blown out. Sheesh.

Thanks. I wasn’t very clear, I was talking number of season ticket holders increasing, not the price of the tickets.

How many other P4 schools would hire Mike Woodson to be their head coach? Hint: 0

I'll pass, I doubt your arguments will be any good judging from your posts. You do realize this is a thread about firing Mike Woodson? There is a Do Not Fire Mike Woodson thread that is a better fit for your viewpoints.

Yea, that's layering in another revenue source. In general, as you said it seems if ND makes some noise in the playoff they can get close to the B1G/SEC media and playoff money. Seems fair. This stuff gets exhausting to figure out. Bottom line for me: It's great to be in the B1G, the media rights are amazing.

When a coach has three years to build up a program and year three is a total disaster on the court and recruiting, it's obvious he isn't the guy and there are many better options out there. The goal is to have the best possible coach at IU. I get it, you like Woody a lot. That's fine it's a free country.

Maybe a little, but it's mostly job performance. The things most people noticed were (i) we finished the season in the 90's (as in over 90 teams were ahead of us) in the NET and KenPom, not close to making the tourney, and (ii) we had no (zero) HS recruits. That's very bad.

Here is what I think the logic is: Regardless of the CFB playoff results, each year the media rights are ~$22M to the B1G/SEC schools and ~$13M to the ACC/B12 schools and ND. So each year ND is ~$10M less of media rights than all the B1G and SEC schools. The offset is if they do well in the playoff, they keep more. Less guaranteed and more upside -- they need to make the playoff and win a game to equal the B1G/SEC schools. Assuming that is about accurate, that seems pretty reasonable. Fundamentally, the B1G and SEC would not let ND get too sweet of a deal...

Yep, and those games were on the road against well coached teams with 5x our NIL (Ohio State) and 3-4x (ND) that have been stacking recruiting classes for years. I'm bummed we didn't play better, we could have, but those are extremely tough games and the outcomes should not discourage us. That said, we have some more building to do to compete with them, and we are putting forth a legit best effort to do that right now.

OT -- A while back I thought Larry Brown started coaching in college. Well, he did as an assistant, but his HC career started in the ABA. Maybe it's just me and my age, but I didn't realize how many jobs he had before Kansas! 1965–1967 North Carolina (assistant) 1972–1974 Carolina Cougars 1974–1979 Denver Nuggets 1979–1981 UCLA 1981–1983 New Jersey Nets 1983–1988 Kansas 1988–1992 San Antonio Spurs 1992–1993 Los Angeles Clippers 1993–1997 Indiana Pacers 1997–2003 Philadelphia 76ers 2003–2005 Detroit Pistons 2005–2006 New York Knicks 2008–2010 Charlotte Bobcats 2012–2016 SMU 2018 Auxilium Torino 2021 Memphis (assistant) 2022 Memphis (advisor to HC)

Good point. "It's hard to wake up and do road work at 5:00 am if you're sleeping in silk pajamas." -Marvin Hagler