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This sort of gaslighting is so pathetic -- everyone can see the W/L record and missing the 68 team tournament by a country mile.

Haha. My eyes will roll out of the back of my head and this will be some of the most infuriating gaslighting imaginable. Mike is toxic. I cannot wait for him to be gone forever.

The pro-Woody crowd gets upset with the fans, but unfortunately for them CBB media, analysts, journalists, and content creators say the same stuff. Everyone is observing the same bad program.

That was fun, unfortunately it was more or less the peak that season before the collapse. I've got no issue with our players being out, I remember seeing players out all the time. Going to the Vid after a game is fine, I don't care, though the timing here isn't great. But being out late the night before a game is a problem. It's a no-no in pretty much every sport at every level, and likely against team rules. It shows a lack of discipline and seriousness, which is pervasive with this program. We've only got 30 or so games, just stay in the night before like every other committed athlete.

I'm a being homer fan, but it's so damn awesome to see IUFB program become such an appealing option for recruits. We're stable with a staff that has worked together a long time, the players improve (especially QBs), and so far we have won. Compare that to schools with off the field issues (UGA), a circus atmosphere (Colorado), erratic coaches (Lane), pressure to perform after struggling (Auburn, USC, OK, etc.). If you're a recruit, IU is one of the places that's a safe bet for your career.

Pop-A-Shot machine doesn't count as practice.

Agree. He hasn't won big yet, but he is recruiting very well and appears to be a good coach that plays modern basketball. That's the formula for success, this isn't rocket surgery. Bonus points in that he cares and appears to be a straight shooter. It stinks, but I think they got this hire right and he is going to do very well there. Ugh.

They just cannot take responsibility for their actions on and off the court. Our $1M NIL 7ft center brazenly went out to a popular bar on a Saturday night -- this is ridiculous behavior. I hope whoever the next coach is cleans house, including whoever Tyme knows in the program.

Otzelberger's buyout is likely $18M+ after his latest extension. As you said, not gonna happen.

Send our A-Team, Scott and Pam, to talk with Brad and Tracy. They will know how to make our best pitch. ;)

He's going through the motions. And it's really not to hard for him to do -- the assistants do most of the recruiting, and he just shows up for an hour or two when the kid is on campus (assuming it's not wine and pizza time).

I'm guessing it's a disaster behind the scenes. As fans we hear some of the stories, but for those in the athletic dept and very close to the program, they probably know 3x more stories and they know they're true. I doubt the pro-Woody camp will have much of a case at the end of this year. Quinn got Woody a big pay day and 4th year, but that's probably it. The bad on court results, failed recruiting, and endless stories of incompetence will be too much to overcome. Fingers crossed Scott is allowed to make this hire and he gets it right.

That's a juicy lawsuit. It will be interesting if players getting shortchanged on "promises" have much luck in court. I'm glad IU appears to do a good job paying out promised NIL.

It’s even worse knowing Ballo was likely held out of the game for disciplinary reasons. He doesn’t care — win, lose, play, don’t play, NIL is guaranteed.

Tyme is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on X. He was dead wrong about this season. His posts are embarrassing. And now the blame the fans narrative is starting from him and the pro-Woody crew because they have nothing else to go to after Woody still struggled with top-5 NIL. Sometimes I even see them try to criticize the FB program -- they are a desperate bunch. Many of them will root against IU once Woody is fired. Fans are not the problem. In fact, one of the few blue blood/elite thing we have left are our fans. But fans just cheer, donate, and react to wins/losses (almost entirely online -- in person the team is treated like gods 99% of the time). Fans don't recruit and coach the team that either wins or loses (duh). There is not that much pressure to coach or play at IU. The bar isn't that high. After Woody's first two mediocre to okay years, fanbase support was very strong. Things only went south when TJD left and Woody's program literally imploded. Show me a fanbase happy with an imploding program. Go back to the Crean years -- fans were impressively patient during three very down years of rebuilding. The fact is IUBB has broken the unwritten pact with the fans. Fans really want to support IUBB, but IUBB has to put forth maximum effort and make a competent attempt to be good. Everyone sees the lack of effort, from recruiting to on the court, and we all know the pathetic behind the scenes stories too. Everyone sees the lack of competence, from missing on almost every HS recruit for two years despite top-5 NIL, to all the bad losses/blowouts to programs with far less resources. Maybe even worse than the lack of effort and competency, is Woody and others around the program refusing take responsibility and ownership for the results on the court. This is the most basic thing they need to do to succeed, and they can't even do that. They blame injuries, blame fans, blame recruits, and try to argue they're actually doing well. Pathetic. Woody and his cronies have done serious damage to IUBB. And it appears they aren't done. On the way out, it looks like we'll get another attack on the fans, which will turn more people off on IUBB. It's a shame, IUBB is special, but the people running it have ruined it. I can only hope Scott and the next coach can completely clean house and get rid of the toxic leadership that has wrecked the program.

It’s all out there. Talk to any journalist that covers IU or anyone around the program. That would be some good homework for you, you don’t seem to know much about IUBB coaching hires.

He was a crony hire. That’s not the “market.”

I’m looking at the jobs he had. After his stint as an NBA head coach (he was fired), he was an NBA assistant. He kept interviewing for NBA head coaching jobs, but he didn’t get any of them. He was stuck as an NBA assistant. Facts.

It’s a post explaining market worth. On his own merits without help from a powerful friend, the market decided he was an NBA assistant level coach.

The program trashed itself. This is just fans reacting to what they are witnessing.

Yes. Aside from Quinn, the market looked at his poor coaching track record and decided he was an NBA Assistant level coach. He was probably making around $1M/yr doing that. Woody couldn’t make anywhere remotely close to $4M/yr outside of IU.

Ha, by refusing to answer, he tells us quite a bit. Sounds like a disciplinary issue…

And 5% three point shooting for the game. Five Percent. At home. Vs. Winthrop. How is that possible?

AMF hangover? https://x.com/oftendaunted/status/1873441491202510994?s=46&t=zoBJGD5TXRBDk1ODyOZqlg

Maybe my intel is off, but it seems we're struggling a bit to get her much NIL? If so, that stinks. The growth of the WBB program under her leadership has been excellent and seeing attendance grow over the years has been awesome. I'm sure she'll be fine, but if we could get her some more resources for players that would be great. IUWBB could be a top-5 program -- we have the coach, fan interest, and facilities. Perhaps the rev share will help -- we can chip off some of that $22M/yr to WBB.