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What, to you, defines a pack line defense? Luther Muhammad appeared to be denying ball or playing the passing lanes all game. I do not have much personal experience with pack line so please educate me if I am wrong.

Hard to read off of highlights but he does not look particularly athletic or shifty, must be a hell of a shooter.

Is Brooks a one and done?

Ohio State definitely does not play pack line. They play a very traditional man but ignored Justin Smith in order to clog the paint.

I think the comparison hits hard because they were hired the same year with Archie having ties to Ohio and Holtmann having ties to Indiana. In some alternate universe, we hire Holtmann and Archie ends up at OSU.

Holtmann took a ton of heat leaving to OSU, can you imagine if went from Butler to IU? I wonder if he would have come considering the betrayal factor of staying in state.

Despicable behavior in my mind.

For those of you who want Archie gone after this season, who could we realistically replace him with?

I know I keep beating this drum, Holtmann>>>

Nice, with IU and OSU having lesser years that must put UM in a good spot. Although coach Beilein has never had incredible recruiting prowess.

IU 71 OSU 62

Does anyone what his short list is? or where he is leaning?

Will you be there?

Are we expecting a significantly better roster next year?

Look at the roster he was left with and they just lost a starter. Wait to judge after he gets a full recruiting class or two. His year one was far superior to anything we have had in years plus his tenure at Butler speaks for itself.

Rutgers and OSU are going to wins at the very least. Both teams have no talent.

Buckle in because we are stuck with this coaching regime for next couple years for better or worse.

It is inconceivable to me that they do better than us this season. They lost the players kept them alive last year and Holtmann coming in July stunted their first recruiting class. I would be very surprised, to say the least.

I expect to have a better season than OSU this season. Plus we have only one H2H matchup and it is at home. OSU vs Syracuse tonight.

The thing about Holtmann is that no one knew that he would be recruiting this well at OSU. At this point, I lean toward taking Holtmann, but in no way am I out on Archie at this point. I think Archie will prove to be a fine coach in the long run, but Holtmann looks to be an incredible coach at a school where people do not even show up to their games. I have family in Ohio so maybe that is skewing my view. And I cannot recall if Mack was mentioned during the search.

It's looking like a mistake to let Holtmann leave the state now.

He is from Kentucky so if that opportunity ever comes calling I imagine he will take the first flight. Wishful thinking and also means Holtmann is dominant in Columbus before Cal retires. OSU is growing at the same so there is going to a budding rivalry with IU on the court and recruiting trail imo.

Newman fan personally, but I do not believe the difference is enough to cry about. I wonder if this means anything for OSU's chances with Liddell because Newman was scheduled to visit OSU this weekend and Liddell appears to be announcing next week.

I agree you are picking straws when the rank is in the same stratosphere. Also, I think it is easier to see how Newman fits into the college game with his skill set vs a combo guard.

We shall see, but OSU media seem fairly confident for what its worth. Holtmann could have a monster class on his hands.