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I'd take that. Under Ryan, Wisconsin was in the conversation every year. Good comparison

I was with you the first time. They ALL were.

I caught that and corrected it above. Habit....Thanks!

We did so on purpose. That's my point

Here's the story about the history. It's not that simple and I don't mean that as a shot at you, but if you don't know, you don't know. 2000 - IU fires Knight and players demand the new head coach be either Mike Davis or John Treloar. Not because they were good coaches...but because the kids on that team liked them and it was ~ 45 days prior to the start of the season so the IU administration acquiesced. IU makes the final of the BTT, and foolishly hires Mike Davis permanently. He proceeded to put the car in neutral down a steep hill and we know how that ended. Help was...NOT on the way. 2006 - Davis "steps down," and IU has a choice to make. Rick Pitino called IU (this happened. 100% confident in that answer and I'll explain in a direct message if anyone wants to know, but this is fact) and was told Indiana didn't want another basketball coach to be the face of the University....and Pitino was a national brand of his own at that time. I guess I understand why academes would feel that way, but I also know without men's basketball, Duke would be ..Elon. Men's basketball was then and is now IU's most visible and marketable entity and academic folks just hate that. Anyway.... Instead, IU's AD at the time, Rick Greenspan interviewed many candidates, one of whom (may or may not have been Kevin Stallings) was verbally offered a contract. Not so fast says then President Adam Herbert...who dealt with lots of pressure from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, etc about firing Mike Davis and demanded Greenspan hire a black coach. Herbert (nicknamed the Velvet Fog because he was rarely publicly visible and wore velvet leisure suits) was such an idiot, he thought Kelvin Sampson was black. It was he who overlooked things at the time and HE who hired Kelvin Sampson, We know what happened w Sampson....Dakich is hired as an interim and not retained. Rick Pitino contacts IU again....and gets same answer. 2008 - IU hires Tom Crean. Had one big year at Marquette when he had 3 NBA guys on his roster; but wasn't yet a national name anywhere near the level of Pitino. An uneven but sometimes successful 9 years; and lack of consistency along with his wearing high school coaches and people in the athletic department out, he's released and.... 2017 - Archie Miller is hired. IU missed its shot at Brad Stevens before then, and again settled for a one hit wonder over a bigger name...and did so intentionally. Again. Then president Michael McRobbie was far more interested in IU being known worldwide for the Kelley School and one of his pets was the Kinsey Institute on Human Sexuality. He also spent $hundreds of millions on new student housing, and recruited the east coast and big cities more than "Indiana." That, along with then AD Fred Glass' "student athlete code of conduct" set IU athletics back 10 years. Archie didn't fit, was WAY over his head , and was let go. Brings us to 2021 - Mike Woodson. Scott Dolson was told who to hire. I don't know if he had an opportunity to hire someone prior to being told, but Quinn Buckner, Steve Ferguson, and others were responsible for hiring "an IU guy." Forget he had no experience recruiting, no history of working in the college game, a reputation of being relatively lazy as a coach, and not a lot of energy...he was alleged to finally be that guy IU had been missing. Scott Dolson arranged for Dane Fife and Thad Matta to be on IU's bench; but Woodson didn't even know who Fife was, and viewed him as a threat. So long Dane Fife. Matta leaves for Butler and Woodson stacks his bench with yes men along with Hulls and Cheaney - because he wanted to appease fans and give them the smoke screen. Woodson demands an un-deserved $1M annual raise, speaks about himself in the 3rd person, wins nothing, and has all sorts of allegations of laziness and entitlement. Now he's out and here we are. I have written before this is the first unobstructed men's basketball hire since 1971. Indiana can, and Scott Dolson can go get whoever he thinks is the right guy. I for one trust him to do exactly that. He will make this decision and their search firm will vet his candidates. As long as Pamela Whitten (who I really like) signs off? This is Dolson's call and he has - in my opinion - more than earned IU fans' trust. Ben McCollum. The guy has won 12 straight conference titles. He won 4 national titles at D2. He has won > 81% of his games over his career. The guy can coach. And his Drake team is 28-3. Anyone who things his hire would be "insanity" is going to have to explain how his resume is even the slightest bit comparable to others before him. Who has IU hired who had anything close to this pedigree? Insanity would be hiring Mick Cronin or Buzz Williams. I'm not saying McCollum's the guy and I'm not saying he isn't. But I AM saying his lack of D1 experience doesn't scare me one bit. Lots of bad coaches have more D1 experience than he does. Does that somehow make them more qualified? The defense rests, your honor.

No. Stop.

OSU 76 IU 67 I think Oregon showed the formula and OSU has enough depth in the front court to execute it

No sh*t. One of my favorite things about the Knight era was you pretty much knew what you were going to get. Some nights other teams were better but the ebbs and flows and the massive coaching disparity was never there. Indiana didn't shoot 12 fewer FT's than their opponent or miss them as consistently as they do now. They generally had point guards. Knight knew which 5 kids played well together and didn't keep trying to succeed with kids who didn't. Woodson showed tonight why he was fir.....I mean why he felt it was best he retire. He got abused tonight.

IU 77 OU 71

I hope beating that school at anything is never the bar at Indiana. Gotta' do more than beat a team that has a local following (regional at best), an ag school who's never won anything, and a fan base that chants we suck at every kickoff, even when they're playing Southern New Mexico.

Happens in 80%+ of street circuit races. I think it really detracts from a good product.

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Nice time to start playing well and Reneau really helps..... where has this been all season? Good grief, Woody. Could have saved 1900 pages of new coach speculation.

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So what? Because nobody had the balls to correct their behavior this time, it's no big deal? Herd mentality is a problem. I've got 2 at IU right now and they along with their older brother were with me away from the student section. Guess what? They were embarrassed. It's not okay and I don't care if "lots of them were doing it." Lots of good kids do lots of stupid sh*t. Doesn't make any of it okay.

Whatever the reason, last night was preventable and ridiculous. Thanks for that information. Explains a lot.

It is to people who understand why I said what I said. Kids who have never been told "no" behave like that. Entitled brats behave like that. People who are never held accountable and risk nothing behave like that. So...uuuuhhh....yeah. It is that big of a deal. It looks like **** on a University in which I have a lot of pride and I don't want idiots staining it.

Please drop the GC thing. That guy is long gone. I don't know who it was completely or wasn't, but it makes us all look bad and shouldn't be tolerated. Especially if we're steering clear of coaching candidates for things that either didn't happen but were alleged, or for things that happened a while ago and would now be perfectly fine. Either we're playing the card that we're above it and better than that or we're like everyone else or worse, Purdue.

In public I do. They're representing a University and if we're going to be "that school" who won't hire Chris Beard because of an allegation and charges which were dropped, we can't then be a place that openly allows classless and frankly trash behavior by however many thousands of people did it.

Students made fools of themselves. I don't care that "everyone does it." Classless to chant "f*ck Ace Baldwin" all night.

That's because of every reason I detailed before. This is the first unobstructed men's basketball hire at Indiana University since 1971. TJ Otzelberger has never been past the round of 16, never won his conference at the D1 level, has had 2 losing records in conference in 33% of his D1 seasons, and I just don't see why he's any more special than anyone else.

He's 5'10" and 150 pounds. Great high school guard, not a Big Ten player

Guaranteed? I disagree. Lots of elite coaches go to 4 final fours in 20 years. If you believe we can't achieve that, you already lose. Here are a few recent examples Bill Self Tom Izzo Mike Krysiewski Roy Williams 'Jim Boeheim Jim Calhoun John Calipari Rick Pitino Billy Donovan Jay Wright Hell...Ben Howland went to 3 in a row. That's not a lofty or unreasonable goal at Indiana.

I really hope IU can do better than a guy who's had just a good season or two. I don't want guys with pretty clear ceilings. I think Otzelberger, Williams, Cronin, and some others are okay, but does anyone thing any of those guys ever has a chance to be great? Here for 20 years; 6-8 Big Ten titles, 3-4 final fours, etc? I'm used to having unpopular takes but it would feel like settling to me if we hired any of those guys. I like the idea of Chris Collins with more resources and better players..I think he'd be really good here. I like the idea of Brad Brownell because he's from Indiana and was a high school team mate of Calbert Cheaney (who I REALLY want IU to keep) I like the idea of Ben McCollum or Josh Schertz because I think both have high ceilings. And both fit the Cignetti mold. I'd love Chris Beard and he'd crawl to Bloomington. If IU can look past the allegations.....yes, please One man's opinion.