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IU won 2 Big Ten titles under Crean. Spaced out 3 seasons apart. When was Glass supposed to fire Crean during that time??? You're myopic rather than realistic. When it was time to let Crean go, Glass did. What would you have done differently? IU became embarrassing in basketball when we hired Mike Davis, then extended him because the NAACP threatened to storm campus if IU didn't. Then again when Adam Herbert demanded a minority replace Davis, and we ended up with Kelvin Sampson. This goes back way before Fred Glass and like I keep telling YOU....way higher. What is it you're hung up on? Crean DIDN'T keep his job. He was fired 3 seasons after a Big Ten title because he couldn't be consistent or make a Sweet 16. He was here 9 years. The first 2 or 3 of which were a dumpster fire not of his creation. Then, he made the NCAa tournament, beat Kentucky, won 2 Big Ten titles.... when was the time to fire him then? Giving a coach just 2 seasons is generally suicide because it sends a message to anyone else who might want the job. Take a step back. What are you really asking? What's your point different than mine other than yoi'd have liked s better search when Wilson was fired?

First point....I don't think black jerseys signal anything but a marketing money grab. Black isn't one of our colors, and I'd rather stay away from it. You could sell me something different within a color scheme, but black jerseys with all of the red and white everywhere just don't fit in my opinion. One reason is I have no interest in wearing a primary color of our main rival. To answer your question, I need to ask you one. What do you think Fred Glass' job is? His bosses want and wanted him to improve IU Athletics overall, increase donations. Improve facilities, and develop the IU brand while staying in the black financially. He has done ALL of those things. Has he handled football perfectly? No. But.. the reality is compared only to history....Indiana is winning, on average, more games per season right now than they ever have save for a few exceptions. That truth sucks, too. So.....yeah, given the reality of Fred Glass' job as dictated by his superiors, he should absolutely keep his job. If IU makes a bowl game and you and others see the necessary improvement on the basketball floor, I truly don't know what you can argue about in that vein. If Indiana goes 5-7 or worse again, Tom Allen's seat SHOULD be pretty hot, and I imagine it will be. I believe he earned the opportunity. You may disagree. Keeping him without success would be a mistake, but I don't believe giving him the opportunity necessarily was. Hindsight is what it is, and with the benefit of it, it's easy to comment about what should have happened. There are a whole lot of "should have's" in my life

Cam Cameron had teams that were "crazy fun to watch," and his record was the same as Allen's has been. Never more than 5 wins a season. He also tried black jerseys and it failed miserably. That's not the answer; and kids don't care. A carousel of coaches isn't the answer, either. The only thing Indiana can do is build a brand of their own as Mike Leach did w Texas Tech. (Oklahoma State's not a great comparison because we don't have T. Boone Pickens) I haven't defended and won't defend Tom Allen, but unless we can go get the next Mike Leach, Allen's recruiting classes are improving dramatically compared to some 10 years ago, and we may HAVE that consistent 6 win team you speak of. You're writing off this season as if it's not what you're after, and we don't know yet. I'm completely on board with the poor tackling, way too frequent personal fouls and phony toughness of Allen's defense; and his loyalty to a weak quarterback is baffling. I just don't think constant coach turnover is the answer, and I certainly don't blame Fred Glass.

IU 38 UConn 13

Thank you....I think. Very much a developed attribute in my case.

Of course we're cool. Duh. I just didn't know what to read into "unfortunate pleasure!" GC was a character for the most part. Some of what happened there still makes me shake my head. I own my part. But there were MANY parts.

Hhhmm.....unfortunate pleasure. We don't need to go backwards, do we? There are a whole lot of bodies buried back there and I won't dig them up if you won't. Not all involved me or were of my doing. I'll leave it at that. Like I said, you either like and can deal with what people post or you can't/don't. I'm not interested in style points, political correctness, or posting "main stream." (Everybody's wonderful! Glass sucks! Go Hoosiers!. RME) That's boring. If you think reading my posts is unfortunate....block me. I'm not profane or personal. I don't make things up and sell them as truth. I am connected enough, but opinionated and direct. I have plenty of wonderful friends and don't need any more, but would welcome them. I'll apologize for whatever you feel is unfortunate, but there were many unfortunate souls in the past, and I don't have an interest in taking the bullet for all of them. Peace.

Your eyes and or they don't. You either saw what happened late last season or you didn't. You see the recruits we're attracting or you don't. You either understand that "3 years under Archie" will really be only 2 because not one player he recruited played even a minute for him in year one, and ALL of the players who did were recruited to play in a completely different system. You either acknowledge the roster turnover and current structure or you don't. Am I supposed to care what "experts" say? Or am I supposed to think for myself, look at the players, the changes, and the coaches and make up my own mind? I think I'll go for the latter and wait to be proven right. You can stay negative if you want to. You know me well enough to know I'm not exactly a myopic pollyanna; so I'll firmly stand behind this and take any bullets that come my way if I'm wrong; but I expect you to do the same. By the way, the same "experts" ranked Victor Oladipo around #150 in his high school class. Extrapolate from that what you will.

Fred Glass' keeping his job has very little to do with football. Don't kid yourself. Your last statement is the true statement; and since Archie has played his recruits in just one season, he's going to get time; and anyone with eyes can see things are getting better over there. I'm as excited for the basketball program as I've been since 2013.

You can take it however you want to take it. Up to you. None of you have answered the questions, so I'll try again. 1) Who can Indiana go get? Who's your horse? 2) Would you rather have continuity or a carousel of coaches? If continuity, see #1. If carousel, what assurances do you have that we hit on every coach in here so we remain consistently good? 3) Go back 50 years. 100 years. Not much changes. Do you acknowledge Indiana's ceiling in its own division on a consistent basis is 4th? If so, refer again to #1. If not, you're myopic and unreasonable. 4) Do you recognize that Indiana may in fact have a 6-7 win team right NOW? What will you complain about if we do? 5) Do you see what's happening in the basketball program or not? My comments to all of you have been "right now," what are you upset with? I get the past. But things are changing, and you can choose to see it or ignore it and keep b*tching for the sake of it. 6) I'm not privy to anything; but the schedule and reality of our situation seems to be something you choose to ignore in favor of....b*tching. Indiana starts every season essentially 0-3. They, Rutgers, and Maryland have the toughest climb in college sports. No other league has divisions as unbalanced. You can either accept or ignore that reality; and it's not my being privy, it's simply making a point you don't seem to get. "Every now and then" is what you're after? We beat Penn State a few years ago. You got your wish. If you basically start 0-3, and go undefeated in the rest of the games, you still finish 4th in the Big Ten East most of the time. That's good for the Tax Slayer Bowl or the Music City Bowl. Go see what coaches you can attract with that. Indiana is in the same division with 3 of the college football blue bloods; and there are about 10 of those programs. Maybe not even that many. All 3 of those programs are in Sagarin top 20 right now. So is Michigan State, by the way. So Indiana will play 4 Sagarin top 20 programs this year and every year this is true. Know how many from the West are there in the top 20? One. The next from the west is #37. Unbalanced divisions are a HUGE problem. Just truth. I know you think the sky is falling, but right now? In Sagarin, which I think is a decent measuring stick; Indiana is ranked ahead of Tennessee, UCLA, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, BYU, Oregon State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Kansas, and Boston College. It's just not as bad or dire as you make it out to be; and it IS as difficult for Indiana as I've said it is. You can accept that or deny it, but it's more than just a "tough schedule." It's a crippling reality for the program, and the problems..as I have said all along are WAY above Fred Glass; which is the over-riding point.

If those were the ONLY qualifications....yes. I'll ask you the same questions : given the inarguable limitations of the IU job, who can we go get? Would you rather have a turnstile of coaches or continuity? If the latter, who's going to come here and stay here given the current division alignment?

The ignorance and short-sighted nature of this statement is staggering. How has he failed at his job? Don't tell me what you wish his job would be or use football as the sole measuring stick. The mob has spoken. You want a winning football team; and the way you have defined "winning," you might actually HAVE one as we speak; but because it hasn't happened in the past or with names you wanted, you're complaining. Have you looked at baseball? Soccer? Swimming? Have you seen what's happening on the basketball floor? What's starting to happen with volleyball and softball? Doesn't know how to win?? Why don't you apply for the job, and tell people "I know how to WIN!" and see how far you get. Good Lord. Step outside the low beams for just a second and think about your statement. What do you want the football team to be and what do you think it can be realistically? My assumption is you're smart enough to know the ceiling (consistently, anyway) in the Big Ten East is 4th, right? So 8-4 or so is the high water mark; 5-7 wins a year should be the expected norm if you're even halfway reasonable..... Where is it right now in your eyes? What needs to change (this is all we're talking about, right? Football?)? What happens if Indiana finishes 7-5 or 6-6 and goes to a bowl this season? Do you understand the bell cow for Indiana University Sports Properties and Indiana University Athletics is men's basketball? Do you know that IUSP is still a top 10 revenue producer in the country? Do you know varsity club donations have broken their own revenue records 5 times under Fred Glass? Seriously....if football goes to a bowl this season, what will you have left to complain about? Nothing you're upset with will be true; and I'm really not sure any of it is NOW.

Step away from the ledge....

Little premature to make Chris Bosh comparisons without knowing what was / is wrong with him, however I do agree with the sentiment. If I may put some of the worries to rest : Indiana University has some of the finest cardiologists, pulmonologists, and veinous surgeons in the world working for its healthcare system; and Dr. RInk (even as little as he's involved now) would never allow a player to be cleared if he were in danger. I'm assuming for now that he's healthy enough to play, and if he's healthy enough to play, there should be no restrictions on him because playing 15 minutes is no better than playing 30. And...this kid's good. REALLY good. Between he and Franklin, I'm very confident in the "wing/slasher/shooter/athletes" we have at that position, no matter how Archie decides to use them. If it ends up that he's NOT fully cleared by November, then of course you have to start assuming his role will be greatly diminished.

In the end, yes. He hired the easy coach. But others were indeed contacted. Allen at that time had a resume that (at Indiana) was worthy of s look. And he's won 5 games in consecutive seasons.....something not often accomplished in program history. His IU resume is not yet complete, and his team is sitting at 2-1. If you were being objective over the summer and someone asked you where you thought they'd be right now, what would you have said? Guarantee you'd have said 2-1. So.....all of you are b*tching to b*tch right now. Like I said .. he has the rest of this season to prove it or not. But.....I still say the schedule and divisional alignment of the Big Ten is a far bigger hurdle than any of you are crediting. Not many coaches will come to Indiana because there's nothing to be gained. I hate reality sometimes, but you can't deny it.

People who believe continuity is better than a carousel care. You think a carousel is better? You think Indiana would hit on every one of those who walked through the turnstile? By making the claim that Indiana would be better off hiring coaches who'd leave for a better gig on a consistent basis, you're admitting we're basically a minor league program and not a destination job, there by making my overall point. Who can Indiana hire? Right now. Allen goes on an extended vacation....who do you hire? I don't want to know who you think we missed on, nor do I care. Right now....today....who's your horse? And if IU goes to a bowl game, do you feel the same?

Not exactly. Glass, like any AD at Indiana would be faced with several questions : 1) Who is on the list of people who would accept this job? 2) Who is on the list of people who would take the job and STAY in the job? 3) Who is on the list who can keep continuity of what we want to do at IU (I don't agree with this, but it's a reality)? 4) Who fits our budget? 5) Who wants to be here? Tom Allen fit those criteria. It's not as simple as a warm body Glass happened to know. Other coaches were absolutely considered and others were contacted. I know that to be 100% fact. But....Tom Allen was in-house; and based on several criteria, was offered the opportunity to become the head coach. Last Saturday was not the barometer for IU. Plenty of upcoming Saturdays ARE. Tom Allen has the rest of this season to prove himself or not.

Your first 2 posts were "does IU even practice shooting the ball?" and "who cares?" You might want to work on your presentation. You are allowed to do whatever you want. And..people are allowed to avoid taking you seriously if this is what you have to add.

Yeah...in my case, please don't over read. I don't have time to work on my delivery....I am who I am and you know me or you don't. (whether or not you like me or my posts is yours to decide and I know many don't. Many do. I'm good either way.) Lots of people here can' t spell or form a complete sentence. You can't worry about that; especially if you're trying to decipher meaning because there's really no hidden agenda. I don't know you, so we're not "friends." No offense, but I'm not here to please you or anyone else with style points. Sometimes, I'm direct. "Have you seen him?" is a question. No hidden meaning. He's a far different case than Luke Brown and there's zero downside to him. Guy's going to rush for 10,000 yards in his high school career at a 5A high school. He's stronger than 80% of our (IU's) team; and I'd take 5 of him.

Curious as to what made it an "over" reaction? Just a response.

Have you seen him? Know much about him? Similar only that he's a bit under-sized, but he's the top rusher in Indiana high school history with at least 7 games to go; and New Pal will play 10 more. And he's done it against far better teams including Center Grove, Zionsville, Lafayette Harrison, etc. New Pal is a 5A high school and this kid would play and succeed anywhere. Yeah, he's short. So is Whop Philyor. He's at least as fast as Stevie Scott and far stronger. Too many schools pass on kids because of tangibles.

In this case, I couldn't care less what anyone else has offered or not offered. They all want him, but none are willing to offer -probably because "no one else has": and they want him to "prove it." I don't know what else he has to prove. New Pal is very easily one of the best 2 teams in Indiana; and he's broken the record playing against 5A and 6A high schools. He squats more than every one of our offensive linemen; and is as hard a worker as there is anywhere. He's a football player. A great football player. Mitchell Paige didn't have any offers, either.

1.  Overall record, B1G record, post-season results, if any (Edit: I went with 30 total games just based on what has been announced, Stuhoo points out we had 35 last year. Do what your heart says is right) I'm assuming Hunter gives us something. 22-13 12-8 NCAA Round of 32 2. Starting 5 for first game of BigTen season Phinisee, Green, Brunk, Smith, Hunter 3. Average PPG for top 5 scorers Green 14.2 Phinisee 12.6 Jackson-Davis 11.7 Durham 10.1 Hunter 8.2 4. A hot take Archie Miller will earn the respect of those who doubt him now. 5. Another hot take The surprise of the season will be Armaan Franklin.

If they haven't, Indiana needs to offer this kid right now.

What did you just say???? I'm not trying to sound smart at all. But I'll tell you this much....standing by an argument as simple as "throw money at it" isn't.