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That shit made me laugh.

Only in his eyes...

What an idiot.  Lol.  Signed up just to tell me that...  Wow, that dude has a life.  Well since it was obviously his first time being here he can go back to his normal life.

Quit coming back jackass.  There is a reason we banned you already.

I doubt it's a reply thing. I bet they pay someone to send out an email blast for emails they feel aren't worth their time.

Man I would be too if that's true. But people like me and you depend on our grades to get a good job.

Highlights - we became a football school. Lowlight- we became a football school.

I get that but fans just don't approach refs on the court which he has. He just views this from a different lense than you and I.

Yes better. Cuban has also been to that Crean fantasy camp where he paid thousands to play at AH. So his support does not surprise me at all. As for the unprofessional during the games thing you are talking about an owner who has had numerous fines for that very thing. I love Cuban but this is one of those consider the source times.

Snake oil? Can we try and keep the personal crap out? It's ok for someone to actually (gasp...) like Crean even if you or I don't. We have been very clear that has no place here.

That shooting is awful.

I am sorry but that would piss me off if true.

Yep Wayne I agree. This is what Alex is talking about. This has nothing to do with basketball. This is what all boards want to do away with. Every IU board wants to get rid of posts or posters who only bring this. I know because I have been a mod on 3 of the major IU boards.

I definitely agree with the first part. The second I would say that's the equivalent of saying since we turn it over we should quit passing. I think we would all agree that is not the case. Some of the issue offensively is fundamental. Other issues are effort (as noted by the drop in deflections) and positioning. Fundamentals and positioning are on the coach. That shouldn't minimize deflections. They are very critical. Same as boxing out, hedging, rotating on the ball, communication. We aren't very good fundamentally on defense. It's not a deflection thing and those numbers show that.

It is random this year which says the effort is not there. IMO that's as bad as a bad scheme which he has.

If you are a religious listener you know he hasn't talked about then near what he used to. It is a primary stat, so I agree with that. They don't overplay to get a deflection, they overplay because our strategy sucks. If you listened without bias you could use the amount of deflections or lack there of to show that. That is what has sealed it for me.

Agree to disagree. We had plenty of people saying the same when he brought up deflections in his UK presser after the Wat shot. But to each their own. He doesn't talk about them much anymore. Wish he went more in depth on them. Not sure why this annoys some so much. It's not like you are actually listening to his post game or you would know how little he talks about them.

No prob.

Was it beneficial?  Yes.  It gave you time to reset your defense and break up the flow of the offense.  If they give up an easy 2 on the inbounds, you have bigger issues.  There are more than just deflections to tell how a defense is playing.  Deflections guage activeness.  That's it.  It does not track rotations.  It does track scheme to a degree.  It does not track ball screen defense.  I could keep going.  But activeness is a pretty decent percentage of defense.  If the big hedges, and the skip pass is deflected, that is ultimately 2 wins in the same set.  Only one will be tracked for this purpose.  The way he is utilizing this stat is to show his players whether or not they were active.  He feels he can coach the other areas of the defense.  Because the rest comes down to understanding where you need to be.  I don't think he can, but diminishing deflections is foolish IMO.  That is like saying, I would rather have VJ3 shooting the final 3 instead of Jordy Hulls because he scored more.  Screw stats.  I won't make decisions based on shooting percentages, or draw a play based on where Jordy has a better chance of hitting said 3, because those stats mean nothing.  Those are not the only stats he carries on defense.  I will guarantee that.  Those are just the most critical for what he wants to do.  Beyond that, it is up for debate.  But minimizing or mocking deflections because you don't like Crean is really foolish.  IMO

That is fair and I would actually agree with that.

They have been. He has not as much in years past. It's just something he adds that drives people nuts because they do not understand it.

I just hope this fan base is ready for the next coach to discuss deflections as well because it will happen. Any time you break rhythm it is useful IMO. I also believe the way Crean uses it is to show who is more active defensively. It is a stat that just reaffirms what we all see. Now it doesn't track breakdowns or missed switches which I think are equally important to discuss if we are discussing deflections. IMO those are what are killing this team.

That same stat this board ridicule sis the same one that shows Crean how truly bad defensively we truly are. How inactive we truly are. Since we like to throw history around here to show how elite we are as a university I would like to add when something is ridiculed it typically means the side ridiculing does not fully understand it. Maybe instead of making fun of it we could use each other to understand it a little better. Or we just how we continually discuss how we are elite we are just stuck on traditional stats as a way to show the game hasn't changed in the 30 years since we last won a title.

A deflection where the ball goes out of bounds does not disrupt the flow of the offense?

Yes that would be a helpful intelligent way for every team to track their defense. In keeping with the adult like discussion that we have started for our self-proclaimed smart fan base I should have instead followed up with "must be". My mistake. Those dumb fan bases don't know nothing about them there deflections and why they are useful.