mdn82

Hoosiers 84 -77

I think the place where we will agree is we should have won more games in year 3. Beyond that we will have to agree to disagree.

See, that is where we are just different.  Tom Crean is not the same man at Marquette he is at IU.  Recruiting opportunities are different.  Funding is different.  Conference is different.  AD is different.  Staff is different.  Expectations are different.  To me it just makes no sense to try and draw parallels between the two.  That is what I am getting at.  What he did at Marquette is not good enough here.  If we finish this season on a slide (which is entirely possible), there should be enough of a gap between his freebie years and now to prove there is no chance.  I know you and others feel that way already.  I actually agree with you guys.  Shocking as that may sound to you.  I am just at the point where I hope he wins big or bombs big.  No in between.

If we judged coaches based on what they did solely on the court coaching before their time at IU and not what the AD could see in the man we would not have hired Branch McCracken or RMK. Duke would not have hired Coach K. I understand when I said what I said you would respond exactly the way you did. Which is fine. We weren't hiring anyone better than Crean coming out of that mess. Not for what the AD wanted our program to be and stand for. If they wanted they could have hired a Calipari. We will see how things shake out. Either way I am fine with. At this point he will either win and stay or lose and go. That won't be based off of his time at Marquette much to your chagrin.

Mike Davis didn't have boosters backing or graduating kids so that is different than the job description. You wanted a job for $3 million while being mediocre. Davis didn't make $3 million. To make $3 million I am trying to tell you what you need to do. If we are being real. Really not sure why his whole career gets continually brought up. I am more concerned with what coaches do when they are brought here and put in realistic situations to succeed. I think 2010 was the first season I can realistically judge him. The two following seasons I was happy. The following two I was not. I personally hope the last month is a make or break. Before you go back to the same 17 years talk you have to try and put apples to apples with comparisons. I know that will mean nothing and you or someone else will reply something about his time at Marquette... So yeah. I am excited on way or the other for this last month.

I would look into IU website whenever there is an opening. All you would have to probably do is beat Crean's resume. So you will have to make atleast make a Final Four. Which shouldn't be hard. All the while graduating kids and getting them to the NBA. You will also have to prove you can bring in donations for departmental growth. I would say you can get that done in a couple of years. Mainly due to it taking Crean 15 years to get to that point.

I hope it goes one way or the other cause the middling is aging us mods in dog years.

Agreed

You really don't get it do you? My thought my PM was pretty straightforward on trolling when it comes to gamedays. Smh

Bill Self quote after Kentucky win:     “It’s not embarrassing, I don’t want to say that by any stretch,” Self said. “But if you have to go to a gimmick or a junk defense in order to be good defensively, then you’re not going to last very long. So we’ve got to tighten some things up.”   ^^^^^ He gets it.  No matter what defense you are in, you have to have fundamentals.  If you are trying to outhink the room, your plan will not work. 

Start running.

They shouldn't even shake hands and start running.

against Minny? That's bad. So bad.

We playing terrible today or what? I got called into work and seen the score

I wish. The tournament used to be fun.

IU 93 - 71

Yeah the way they were calling things he should have went into him. I absolutely agree with this.

I think Yogi should have kicked when he drove. They were collapsing on him hard when he drove. IMO someone should have got into the lane. I said that last night before the play. But everyone knew Yogi was taking that shot.

Troy should never handle the ball. He should be on the baseline when yogi, RoJo, or Collin are driving.

God knows you are stuck on fantasy land if you think may teams have played better over that 12 game stretch. I didn't see you comment how bad we were during those games. I will take your request under consideration but take mine. Don't only come here after a loss to troll. If that is the only time you come here to bash your ass will be booted for trolling. Other sites might need the extra hits but we don't. If that's the only time you "add" to the conversation you will not be welcomed here.x

A months worth of games? Obviously you are watching or you wouldn't have been so quick to respond.

I agree. We have always played well against Michigan under Crean. IMO that is a must win now.

I would like to add I have yet to see a team look good in my lifetime losing. As was said over the last month since we last lost this would be the way we would lose. This would also be the overreaction we would get. I agree with Dakich on this. We are a different team. We played a shit game on the road to Wisconsin. Shocked? There was a reason this was a pick'em game for Vegas. Most of you post every day. Even the most anti-Crean posters have been positive about the recent play. Then moments after a loss we see posters that haven't posted in over a month just bitching left and right about how there is no progress. That is the definition of trolling and just irritates the hell out of me. You know who you are. Where have you been the last month? You expected us to go undefeated in conference? The fouls? They were bad but not unexpected. The turnovers were bad. Troy should have been on the bench most of the game. Our interior D sucked. Rebounding in key moments was awful. Yet we lost by 3 in overtime at Wisconsin. Let them run their 17's and let's see how we play.

I agree. We had our chances and shot ourselves in the foot.

Haven't really seen you much lately. What happened to you? Or was it just a product of winning? Edit: You know other boards like trolls too?