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I agree high prices are atmosphere killers. The corporate folks don’t care and honestly rich older people just aren’t as wild as younger people (see student sections). Fortunately, I haven’t seen the tribalism that powers college sports dissipate much if at all since NIL/portal started. Just my opinion. We may not know the players as well, but people see their school’s name on the jersey and they still lose their minds. As for fans getting priced out of college sports — it doesn’t seem too bad yet. Stadiums are bigger and less luxurious, which helps. But it will probably happen slowly over time like you said, hopefully very slowly. I look at Baylor’s new arena, Houston’s renovated arena, and Northwestern’s new stadium… maybe some early warning signs… The other consideration is home/bar viewing getting so good it’s hard to get fans to show up. VR will eventually be perfected and widely adopted and those new sports bars with an IMAX-like screen are unbelievable. That will be a sad day.
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He may be a little annoyed, but we’re paying him $9M/yr and his staff like $12M+/yr (top-10). Plus we have exceeded our NIL promises to him. That’s a massive commitment. He’ll get over so-so interest in the cupcake games, especially with $60 tickets. We are still way up on ticket sales.
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Here is something good. A lot more NFL folks around...
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Yea. It's been disappointing to track. At the end of the day, pre-Cig we had one of the smallest fanbases in CFB, and I get why, IU didn't care about football for decades. And even with the growth in fan interest over the past year, our fanbase is still one of the smallest in the P2/P4. I wish more folks would jump on board, but it is what it is, I can't change what people are interested in. I don't know how many tickets will be sold closer to gameday and what the walk-up crowd might be -- may depend on promotions. IU probably priced the cupcake games a little too high ($61 is the cheapest available for the general public). I've seen some other schools selling cupcake games tickets for quite a bit less than we are -- $20 or less and some are just giving them away. We've sold about 44K tickets for the opener so far and last year's opener was 44K, so I'd think if the weather is good we'll get few more thousand tickets sold.
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ESPN did an article on our bison mascot. It's good. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/45871194/indiana-hoosiers-bison-mascot-return It's nice when ESPN actually does sports journalism.
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“The Indiana Hoosiers football program added two non-conference opponents to their 2026 and 2028 schedules. The Hoosiers will play the Howard University Bison on September 12th, 2026 and the Miami (OH) Redhawks on September 16th, 2028.” (Per the Hoosier Huddle) Don’t hate the player hate the game! ;-)
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Little Pat Kuntz feature here. So good. He will make you want to run through a brick wall. https://x.com/IndianaFootball/status/1957140949265420576
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Fortunately, Scott seems to get "it" and I think he will likely figure out whatever we need to do to get around the clearinghouse. His track record is pretty good. He inherited a clueless athletic dept. Despite this, he was all over NIL when it started -- we were early on the collectives. He also 100% completely changed IU's entire institutional approach to football, which is very impressive given how many people he had to get on board. I'm personally not too worried about us getting NIL to our athletes. What I am focused on is our overall athletic dept revenue and closing the big gaps to many of our P2 peers, but that's a separate topic.
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Interestingly, the big boys that are successful mostly focus on high school and keeping those kids in their programs and developing them. They use the portal, but in more limited spots where they have a need. ‘26 is one of our better classes the past 15 years. Historically we might have one good class every 4-5 years with the rest being bad (like 50th+). I think Cig can keep getting classes around #30, which is quite good for us and with those kids he can keep us in the top-25 range with playoff hopes. But frankly, to level up much further we really need more NIL for football… like $10M more. At the end of the day better players cost more. Not sure where that $ comes from… need Scott to figure that out.
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He retired April 1st, and unretired on May 12th when he joined the Kings (ha!).
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(2026) LB Jacob Savage to Indiana
Pagoda replied to Pagoda's topic in Indiana Football Recruiting Forum
Cool local news profile on Jacob. Seems like an awesome kid and real fit with Cig's culture. https://x.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/1955758820715557078 -
Thanks. There has been so much drama with MBB over the years that the behind the scenes viewpoints are very interesting I've got to say. The above bolded lines sure sound like old IU -- an organizational disaster with political infighting that isn't aligned and produces crap results. Fortunately, it appears our AD is now in control with outside influences (who are almost never helpful) much more minimized. Plus he has the President's support, and very likely the BoT as well. We saw this with the last MBB coach search where basically only Scott knew who he was going to hire, along with the significant and unprecedented investment in football. IU athletics is looking functional for the first time in decades -- thank goodness. And yes, we do have to hope Scott got the hire right, but the key takeaway is he made the decision. So if things go wrong, we know who is to blame and who may need to be changed out. Though to be clear, I think Scott is doing a good to very good job. I'm also really hoping we don't have a MBB or FB coaching search for 10+ years. I've had enough of those for a lifetime already.
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Very good to get some tight game experience.
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This is getting to be strawman territory. It is a rebuild regardless of whatever fans think or want. It fact it’s a 100% total rebuild. We can thank Woody and his friends for that. Who would be happy with a bad year? No one really. And most people I see expect to make the tourney. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I just don’t see how August exhibitions vs a Serbian pro team under FIBA rules prove the validity of any viewpoint one way or the other.
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I get what you're saying, but what's happening is quite a bit more than previous staffs' winning seasons with like 6 or 7 wins. But, whatever, I'm getting off topic. On to Mega SuperBet Round 2 tomorrow at 11AM.
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This is just my two cents: I see nothing to worry about on the basketball side. We've stunk forever and we were 7th or 8th in the country in home attendance last year. And one data point that blows my mind is the minimum price to get into the Ohio State game last season was $130! For a bad balcony ticket to watch a bad Woody team! Our fans are insane and the basketball culture is still here. Another data point is the fan support two seasons ago was excellent vs. UConn at MSG and vs. Auburn in Atlanta. If CDD gets things going, the fan support will be immense and all the program needs. Personally, I'm more worried about the support for football, the sport way bigger than basketball. We've got a good thing going, maybe a great thing, and while ticket sales are much improved, we're not close to selling out the opener in our not so big stadium. That's odd for a team coming off a CFP appearance and going into the season with a top-20 ranking. Our athletic dept finances pretty much entirely depend on football, it's the only sport that can generate serious revenue and help fund other sports. I hope our fans really get behind IUFB because all of IU athletics, including basketball, needs football to succeed financially.
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Fouling out with 3 min left in the third… tough whistle for our boy!
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I effin’ hate the NCAA. His eligibility case is straightforward. More info: https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/sports/college/iu/2025/08/09/indiana-football-safety-louis-moore-sues-over-juco-eligibility-rules-seeks-additional-year-of-eligib/85503426007/
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More good content form Zach, this time previewing Mega SuperBet.
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It’s quite an achievement to even make this list — the other programs discussed are huge and established, like 50-75% more player payroll than we have (for now). And our staff is only 18 months in!
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Good video from Zach -- summarizes the big picture goals for IUBB in Puerto Rico and how it's gone so far.
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It pains me to say this, but Painter is a very good talent evaluator, and he really, really wanted Sisley. I can see why he did. Fortunately, Trent has always been 100% IU regardless of the coach. I’m thrilled to have him and hopefully we consistently get kids like him under CDD.
