Asha’man

Relax. I’m glad the season is over. The portal that’s about to start is way more important than the big ten tournament for this program right now. This is about the future not this limited roster. Let’s see what they do with a season under there belt and time to recruit through back channels for the portal.

Agreed. People are quick to pull their support and then wonder why media and other fanbases say our fanbase is delusional. I still 100% support DeVries. I think for a variety of reasons he didn’t put together a good enough roster. That’s on him. With the roster he had he did well but not where anyone wants us to be. I also am giving him a free ride for year 1. He literally started over like Crean but with NIL and his over rated kid. Now he has full lineup of assistants, a GM, and a NIL war chest to spend. The next 6 weeks will tell the story for next year. Even if we don’t know the names of the guys they get, we will find out how they did this fall/winter. I do like the freshmen coming in as well.

Evidently so. Boy wonder, Dusty May, said he underestimated the physicality in conference at the end of last year.

I wasn’t implying IU bought a title. But they were willing to pay enough to be competitive with those at the top. I’m not sure they are doing that with basketball. Even if IU bought a title who gives a crap. You guys got a title. I’m not an IU football fan but to hell with OSU. Every BCS title through now could be argued was bought, it was just under the table. Get into the history of college football and it goes back to the decades prior to many of us being alive and players getting paid. I think Dolson and probably Carr now that he is here may need to pull some financial levers. The money is there. People say 21.5 and 12.5 is a lot of money. It is but not to the mega donors. The cooks are worth 7+ billion last I looked and are engaged in supporting the sports programs. A $5 mil ask is a rounding error to them. For those who think I crazy that’s like someone with $700,000 donating $500. So if they have $20 mil already, $2000 then get the other $500. Essentially if I had to wager that 800,000 alumni probably donated a bunch of small amounts bc of football. Great do it again with basketball. Over pay a little now and then the masses will pay for it later. And if Saban and the rest figure out a way to curb the spending, IU basketball needs to already be in that top group before any sort of legislation comes down and creates a situation where IU is stuck as a have not. The south will go back to paying under the table.

According to Athlon/Sporting News IU spent an estimated $21 million on football roster last year. Placing them in the top 10 nationally in football NIL, closer to 5-8. 3rd in conference behind OSU (over $30) and Oregon ($22-23). That’s more than Michigan at $18 million. So what Cig did wasn’t on a shoestring budget. Boosters ponied up big time. It paid off but the idea that Cig achieved in spite of resources isn’t true. The same should be done for basketball. Cutting funds to basketball isn’t going to help them win like football. And don’t make DeVries pay for the sins of previous coaching staffs. Support him at the level you want to succeed. Top 20-25 money isn’t going to be a quick fix. It needs to be top 5-10 in the short term until high school recruiting catches up and the portal can be used to fill holes and not starting rosters. Once high school recruiting gets to the point we are counting on that pipeline to replenish those transferring or graduating, then the dollar amount can be lowered. Probably 2 more years for that to happen.

I think the 12.5 being rumored is fine if we were already established as a top 25 team with stacked high school recruiting classes. We aren’t there. I’d like to see them get somewhere around 16-18 million to be able to get the caliber of players we are wanting. Even ideal’s a couple of guys are here for 1 year. The freshmen this year could be ready to go as sophs. But need to get the money to support the program. We should be top 5 in NIL not top 20/25.

I think there will be a revenge factor vs NW. Then Purdue wins by double digits. Then the most important part of the year happens, portal season. Honestly, I’m ready to get there and won’t care if we lose the opening game.

If they can get him then get him. Multiyear piece that can be very good. Not sure he is starter ready as a freshman to start the year. But I’m comfortable rolling with the backups being young next year if needed.

Yeah. It would be a waste of time to try when they can go get someone that’s an upgrade and attainable. Next year win 22+ games then go again.

Agreed. Which is why they are going to have to prioritize where the money goes. I don’t think I’d go for elite offensive bigs. If they can get some bigs that are athletic enough but can’t shoot the 3, get them. A big like Yax is going to be too expensive.

Watching this MSU/Mich game and it has me wondering about our roster building. We won’t have an ideal roster next year either, imo. So get a top end 1,2,&3. Then get big athletic 4 &5 is my wishlist. Guys on the wing who can create their own shot and also hit it from deep. Then the bigs to play defense and clean up the glass. Ideally a few guys with 2 years experience but if not available get the 1 and done.

I saw some names ppl are throwing out elsewhere. But not sure how legit it is. Liberty guard from Kentucky. Belmont PF. Duke backup guard. Watching this Michigan MSU game, we need athletes without sacrificing skill to compete at the top.

Maybe. I am curious if we make any changes to the staff. The one guy everyone wants to see fired is the one guy who can land big man from Kansas. I’m going to take a wait and see approach and see how this portal season ends up. Then see if DeVries thinks changes need made.

I’m hopefully DeVries can take a similar trajectory as Todd Golden at Florida. Golden had a losing record in year 1. Year 2 was 24-12. Year 3 was a national title and they are rolling in year 4.

National title favorites. Forget the final four. It’s a forgone conclusion

Someone on Peegs mention that Trilly is saying we “may” be involved.

He also didn’t have an empty cupboard. But it’s why he went out and got 3 bigs for this year. It’s definitely impacted his portal approach this last offseason. I expect DeVries and Carr to adjust as well. As upset ppl are after a loss, this team was 2 winnable games away from being in the dance, NW and Minnesota. With as flawed as the roster is, that was pretty good. They didn’t meet fan expectations but they did meet season expectations from a roster composition standpoint, as posted in another thread. On to portal season. I hope they decline any post season tournament so they can focus on building the team.

Dusty said the same thing last year. The physicality of the league took him by surprise.

Most fantasies are toxic on social media when they are losing. I’m a Michigan football fan and I see some of what they post when Dusty loses. They love him but they also b.:-: moan and complain.

I have little faith in his ability to build a roster. But I think he has adjusted and laid a good foundation with Carr and the assistants to hit a home run in the portal a month from now.

Ironically, I felt like he hit his ceiling at IU and got stale, but in the NIL era Crean would have been interesting. Yet he also failed at UGA.

I stay off X for the most part. People are way too toxic on there in more than just sports. I have a few pages I go to for sports but it’s never game thread type stuff.

Glad we can start focusing on portal season now. It has been way more important to me for the program than the last few weeks. In Carr we trust.

I hope Ryan Carr is taking note that the roster is not athletic enough to contain the drive at this level. Giving up 50 points in the first half in a must win game. Carr has a big month ahead of him.

Isn’t Orme a stretch 4, 6’9”?