Deserthoozier

No Bardo, always a gift!!

I think it’s waaay too late for that. Woody’s trashed the program and culture from Floyd Knobs to Munster!!! He owes TJD an incredible debt for covering up all the incompetence and dysfunction to get him 2 extra years - administrative malfeasance it wasn’t just 1. …ok, I know it’s just the ‘separation clause’ where it kicks in, but this guy should appreciate what a gift he’s been given to get this position, power, platform and resources for FOUR yrs based on his background and go away both quietly and gracefully. In good faith, he should refuse any further compensation b/c he purportedly cares about his Alma mater…and its going to take a boatload of $$$ to get over the hump he built driving things into the ground.

Cmon, course they did! It’s just no one invited Dackich…so he had house parties. ; )

It might be a soft way for the King to learn even ‘true fans’ have reassessed!

Are you talking about Woody or Leal having no problem earning $400k somewhere else if they’re worth it? I’m thinking the answer is likely the same for both.

Who could’ve seen this coming? Completely insulting the admin and powers that be forced this on us for another year! Of course they’re not going to bring him back. We deserve more than a simple ‘he built the bridge, thanks mike!’ Or even ‘we’ve decided to go in a different direction’. There needs to be a public acknowledgement of the dereliction of duty here and the wasted 4 years.

So long as he’s not a Purdue fan! Governor we need to appoint an IU Board of Trustee member…”Hmm….think we can extend that Buckner guy to a lifetime appointment? I know terms are 3 years, but let’s at least try!”

He sure is!!

100%. That’s why we hired Dolson, who ran the Varsity Club phone bank v Pat Kraft (IU alum who was super interested in the job, now AD at Penn State, was AD at Temple at the time). Quinn and the funders wanted a yes man who would let them pull the strings instead of someone w/experience who would run the show. The thing that frustrates me the most is that Dolson was forced to bring Wooody back this year, when the writing was on the wall. Powers that be thought maybe we could buy our way out of it. How’s that working. The collective gaslighting just added insult to injury. Don’t dislike Dolson, and glad he got/give him credit for a home run with Cig…although Allen was probably kept a wasted year too long as well. Worried now we might have missed the boat w/May…and simply start this absurd cycle again next year by settling for another coach that’s a risk because that’s all that’s left. He should have pushed back more vocally/publicly when forced to ‘chill’ and ‘run it back’ w/Woody. Sometimes in a leadership position you’ve got to lead even if it’s not popular.

Because Mike Woodson said that’s what Mike Woodson thought was best!

Tommy Lloyd utilized him to maximize his talent and was strategic with his integration into the rest of the team. From the way they play in games, it seems like Woody rolls balls out and says ‘figure it out fellas’!

There were rumors of a Big Foot sighting in Lincoln tonight, but clearly he wasn’t there. The Mayor owns Big Foot!

FIRE MIKE WOODSON…It’s all I got!

No Bardo, always a gift!!

Embarrassing! Time to move on.

Minny’s a Quad 3, right?

No Bardo! Always a blessing.

Mediocre in his best season!

Agree…not pumping Pearl as the end all be all…just pointing out baggage is nuanced, at best. I think moving on him last year would have been tremendous - not sure how much truth to rumors of his interest, and if real how true the intent actually was v using us for leverage to re-up and get all he ever wanted at Auburn. His results this year certainly look nice. To your broader point, I think most on here will readily agree…the last thing we need is another person who views the job as a pre-retirement gig!!

Well, then let’s hope QB’s done some serious soul searching and reality self-checking since then! He deserves a pass for thinking it was the right hire the first time, and all the criticism in the world for forcing another completely lost year of it last spring when it was obvious the King of Indiana wore no clothes!! Supplemental staff (eg. Armond Hill @~$210,000) is paid for directly by the U (ie Indiana taxpayers & U tuition payers). How’s our ROI on SleepySleeperson?

I would like to think/hope the admin is well past the luxury of obsessing over every ounce of coaching baggage, particularly knit picks from like 20 yrs ago that mean absolutely nothing. From documented egregious cheating that had zero consequences…UNC fake classes, the entire FBI bust that busted (KU, AZ, LSU, U6, on and on)…the reality has sadly been…if you ain’t cheating, u ain’t winning. We haven’t been winning, except probably confessional on Sundays. Now w/NiL and pretty much anything goes, a lot of past baggage is comical. There’s still probably some personal “character” baggage issues that count and perhaps rightfully so. What a damn shame…b/c that dude can coach!!

Just passing this on, in case anyone knows anyone who might benefit from it.

Here’s where I’m at… Woody was a poor choice at the time of hire due to lack of college ball experience specifically, and general coaching success more broadly. While many were surprised and questioned it at the time, a big majority, myself included, were willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. NBA recycles, especially if alum, were certainly more in vogue at the time. Legit arguments were made about the appeal of modern NBA style as well as NBA connections that both would be strong recruiting tools. It was fairly assumed from a coaching perspective that he at least understood, and therefore should be able to execute a fast flowing modern NBA style. And, if nothing else, he certainly was an IU guy! After 3 years… mixed recruiting success, mixed player development, and mixed on court success…the body of work was established. The style of play, recruiting , understanding of the modern college game and just flat out ‘energy’ all was substantially lacking - as was on court success. Nevertheless, the admin and stakeholders determined Woody was going to get a 4th year…with top NIL. While internal politics can be understood, this decision insulted many in one of the most hyper engaged fan bases. After 3 yrs, there was plenty of resume to see that the decision didn’t pass the eye and smell test. It was the equivalent of running Joe Biden again, when his inability to perform the job was clear to an electorate on all sides. (Not a political statement at all, just statement of obvious). Thus, a marginally competent Woody was forced on a fan base desperate for hope and success. Gaslighting, and even a bit of head coach generated hostility, ensued - creating more tension. NIL gave IU the ability to kill it in the portal…and getting talent was a success. Style of play issues were acknowledged, blamed on past team personnel, and promised to be changed (again). Folks came into this season, hopeful with the talent haul, and even optimistic that perhaps MW was committed to the hard work change requires — perhaps out of embarrassment, if nothing else. Early buy game eye tests raised questions - team and coaching has looked disconnected. Wheels fell off at the only preseason opportunity to gain quality wins in Atlantis. Games after Atlantis have only shown continued dysfunction. Coach statements continue to lack acknowledgement of issues, accountability and insight. “Hump” “work harder” “make shots” “young team”. So, instead of being proactive and managing the obvious, we’ve been forced to endure another mid at best season, with a boatload of talent, but sorely lacking in coaching…perhaps b/c ‘the last guy got 4 yrs, so MW will too’. But no worries, we’ve had a decade of it prior…so what’s making folks suffer through one more year! Thing is, it’s obvious the emperor has no clothes, the gaslighting has expended any goodwill, and the further you sink it and push away from past successes…the more support you lose, and fail to develop every year. There’s a fair reason to be resentful. 10+ years of mid performance for a program with our resources, history and fan commitment isn’t acceptable. It’s not the fans…admin owns accountability! Fire Mike Woodson!

Sold! That’s amazing ball movement, player position awareness, team connectivity, and willingnesss to work! Seems like we haven’t had a play half this coordinated in 25+ years. The coaching cred jumps out of the TV!!

100% same at Alabama. Greg Byrne has full authority. Sure, has to pre-inform major donors and stake holders and take them through a pre-announcement buy-in process, and sometimes money raising…but, he drives the bus and gets everyone else on board. His decision, live or die. IU sounds infinitely more bureaucratic and the results show! AuntiewithaK, please don’t shout ‘but Bill Orwig’, question how ‘new fans’ the people who post on here are, or split hairs over grammar…it shows your immaturity and pettiness, petulance aside!