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If only this year's games were 15 minutes long! Some have already mentioned this but I will be very surprised if CTA is IUFB's head football coach next year. If he is then it lets everyone (coaches, recruits, fans, conference big wigs, media, etc. etc.) know Dolson gives zero poops about football. Folks are no longer interested this season and money is being lost for the program because of it. At this point, it's about dollars and 'sense'. Have him stick around for another year and lose more money (millions) in revenue or go ahead and make the business decision to take losses up front and hope with the right hire recoup those losses in a year or two. It's disappointing to say the least. I was watching the Washington game against ASU and noticed some familiar faces coaching on the sidelines and just shook my head. This wasn't the first time I've experienced it and it won't be the last. I'm an IUFB fan and this is how it works. We fans taste a small amount of success and that success moves on to bigger paychecks and better opportunity.

How about that 1st quarter!!!

Historically, your expectations are a tad bit high for IUFB, but I think they are reasonable. I'd really enjoy this type of consistency for IUFB. I don't think IUFB will have issue bringing in coaches. The Big Ten is an attractive job to any coach climbing the ranks or trying to maintain the rank. You could even say that CTA's salary makes the job attractive and desired. It's not like they didn't reward him for two consecutive years of unprecedented success of the program. Stuhoo already touched upon the historical way it works for coaches at IUFB, unfortunately. Personally, I think the job could be a job desired if the athletic department shows some sort of commitment to the program in general. But historically, that's not what they have done.

IUFB is far from Premier. They're like a blind squirrel that finds a nut once in a while. If college football decides to go the route of a Premier League like structure, IUFB will be either at the 2nd or 3rd tier league. Most likely League One level (3rd tier) if we are all being honest with ourselves.

Where have I said he shouldn't get pooped canned? Actually quite the contrary, but whatever. I'm just pointing out the reality of IUFB. Everyone is talking like we can get a coach like Saban, or whoever you desire, to come in here if we just throw money at him. That's not going to happen, ever. Or if it does, my remains will have already been scattered to the bosom of the pacific ocean here on Earth 1. I will gladly eat a large plate of crow if I'm wrong about hiring a 'real coach and staff' as you put it. But historically, that ain't happening. Allen is the type of coach that had it worked out, he doesn't get poached because we doesn't want to go anywhere. His stats are the best we've had in over 20 years! Those are, unfortunately, the facts. Being realistic about the state of things sometime just effin' sucks. Sorry to speak truth about IUFB. But someone needs to do it on here because this Earth 2 talk is not what's going on here on Earth 1. Aguas, same question I already asked, if, and it's a big if, this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; still want him gone? Follow up questions, if you still think he should go, what are your expectations for IUFB? Keep in mind these questions are here on Earth 1, not Earth 2. Realistic IUFB expectations.

I'm watching it. If it gets out of hand I'll probably change it up.

An absolute delight watching him play last night.

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That's cool man. I really enjoyed those two seasons. They were beating teams that good teams are supposed to beat. Getting national attention. The defense was ranked in the top 20! It's a rarity for IUFB to accomplish that kind of stuff. For me, it was cloud nine seeing offenses struggle against the blitz packages etc. etc.. I really enjoyed Justin Fields getting exposed for his inability to handle the various types of blitz packages we threw at him. Cloud nine stuff for me, man. Cloud nine. But all of that doesn't matter because here we are in a thread titled Fire Tom Allen. Personally, I would have liked to see him succeed even more than he already did but I also know the overall history of the program. I also feel your frustrations with him. His loyalty to a coach drove me nuts! Because it ultimately might be the reason he's terminated. I am ok with whatever decision is made regarding his future. Honestly, I am.

Well, I'm glad you were at least entertained during the time IUFB won 8 games one year and finished ranked 16th overall in the country the other. That's all I was asking in the grand scheme of things. Regarding your ranking screenshots, football is a team game. What you're showing me is that BL and KW weren't balanced compared to TA. I'll say it again, CTA's winning record is better than the other two coaches you brought up here. But I certainly understand your preference with an offensive coach calling the shots.

THIS^^^^^^ I was more upset with #2's behavior during that game. The dude is a really good football player and his antics really weren't level headed. Heisman candidate to boot.

^Response to the question if #12 catches the overthrown ball (that you agree was overthrown) where does the safety end up. I'm confused. Because you imply the safety was pursing the ball, not the player, by your response to my question. I don't think anyone on here is saying he wasn't trying to make a hit. Quite the contrary actually. A lot of us just don't think it wasn't as bad as everyone is making out to be. Especially calling for a suspension of the player. We agree to disagree. Enjoy your night mate.

So, if the safety played to the ball, which we both agree he did, perhaps #12 letting up after the QB failed on the throw actually makes it looks worse than it was?

So you didn't enjoy watching the best offenses CTA ever had? I'm confused. Because you say that you prefer offensive type games. I would think you enjoyed those two years at least.

If the receiver actually catches the ball where it was thrown where does the safety end up?

Was the ball overthrown and did #12 slow up due to the ball being overthrown? Is the safety pursuing where the ball is going? After looking at this over and over, it's incredibly maddening that the QB even threw the ball in that direction. He's lucky the ball wasn't picked. All of this falls directly in the hands of the QB. Completely his fault from start to finish. Which resulted in injuring one of his most important players on the team. Also had the ball been placed in the basket, the safety might of not even gotten a hit on him. Because he looks like he might of been a tad bit late on the catch, if that even would have happened. But he was covered like a blanket so the catch probably doesn't happen, especially with the safety rolling in for help. Could the safety let up and try to avoid the hit? Probably. Hence the flag thrown. But there was nothing outrageously dirty about that hit. Like I said, these types of hits happen a lot and most of them don't get flags thrown.

Personally, I don't think it was dirty. Had #2 placed the ball in the basket we aren't talking about it. The pursuit was well timed, especially if #12 doesn't slow up. Most importantly, #12 was covered like a blanket and trying to throw into that coverage is ballsy. It didn't work and letting up on the play got him injured.

These hits happen a lot more then folks know. Safety had zero intentions going for the ball and every intention in either breaking up the catch or just flat out putting down the hammer. I know the mindset, I played the position. Since it was a rivalry game, putting down the hammer was probably #11's first and only option. LOL! His pursuit wasn't anything out of the ordinary and the hit was actually well timed, especially if #12 catches it. #2 overthrew the ball which makes the hit look like a cheap shot. Personally, I blame #2 for that hit and I find it kind of ironic that he ran down the field to start poop with the safety because it was his own mistake that caused the hit. Had this been any other game other than the current hype we aren't talking about it.

Keep in mind, Tom Allen came in and vastly improved the defense to help give you some of those feelings you're talking about. I never felt like IUFB was ever in a game until Allen became the DC. Did you enjoy the games when Kalen DeBoer was the OC and Penix was healthy?

That makes me understand you're point of view a lot more. Appreciate your response. Sounds like your wanting an offensive minded HC running the program. I'm just the opposite, I prefer a defensive mind, but that's just me. I enjoyed watching the later part of the KW era as well. It seemed like he was moving the program in the right direction. And those last two years you are talking about, his DC was Tom Allen. All those close games you're talking about was because of a defense that was able to make a stop here or there to keep them in the game. We were going to get our points, that was for sure. But I digress. Also, it sounds like you're open to instability of the job in general, just so long as the IU AD makes the next hire worth a darn. But regardless, playing in a worthwhile bowl is the overall expectation? Or have you changed on just playing in a bowl game? Or you don't really care about bowls, you just want to see a lights out offense on the field? Keep in mind, in the 136 year history, IUFB has reached a bowl only 13 times.

So your expectations for IUFB is bowl eligibility every year? And if this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl; those advocating the termination of CTA still want him gone? Follow up questions, if you still think he should go, what are your expectations for IUFB? If you think he shouldn't go, is it as simple as bowl or bust for you? Keep in mind this program has only been bowling 13 times in 136 years.

Man, I'll be very happy in the 5 to 6 win range for IU!

Andre Carter is playing one heck of a season so far. I'd surprised if he's not playing Sundays. So far, the transfer portal has been good to us in that aspect.

Thanks for sharing. Appreciate it. So a bowl qualification for only the fourteenth time (four of those being coached by CTA - 30.7% of IUFBs total bowl count) and winning only its fourth in IUFBs 136 year history would still want you to remove a coach that actually accomplished this for the program. Read that sentence again. I'm not clear on your expectations for IUFB but I'm under the assumption based on your response that your expectations is maybe something like an Iowa; where bowl appearances, winning more than 7 games is a consistency, every now and then top 20 rankings and in a conference championship race? If that's the case, that has never happened under any coach throughout IUFB's entire 136 years of existence. Read that last sentence again. The winningest coach in program history, Bob McMillin, had 7 winning seasons out of 14 and was not consistent. Those 7 win seasons were ebb and flow and spread out throughout his career. If it's just you want a team that 'plays consistent, competitive, smart, and fun to watch' than I've got nothing for ya because all of that is completely subjective. For example, I think this season alone IUFB has played consistent, competitive, smart, and I have enjoyed watching them. Personally, I don't think that's a valid reason to terminate CTA. But that's just me. I mean the most consistent thing IUFB has been the last 6 years is having a head coach with bowl appearances multiple times. I get it though. All of us probably get it. All of us want a coach that will come in and create something magical that we've never had in 136 years. But a coach that does that will not coach here for 4 years yet alone 14 years. A coach that accomplishes bowl consistency here at IUFB is getting hired somewhere else because that coach will not stay at a historically bad school like IUFB. That's just the way it is, unfortunately. Unless. Unless, of course there's a coach that considers IUFB a dream job. EDIT: IUFB has 13 total bowl appearances. Making corrections to stats regarding bowl games.

Not that any of this matters but Coach Prime was also a high school coach with zero experience coaching at the college level when he got hired at Jackson State. To this day, he still has less college coaching experience than CTA. I'm just pointing that out because personally, I don't think it matters if someone coached high school football. What matters is what kind of other coaches you surround yourself with and how you manage your staff. X's and O's don't change at any level. Just my two cents.