RaceToTheTop

I've lost track at this point. :) Anyway, my original point was simply that Penix is really, really good. Oft injured, but has elite abilities when he plays. Still want to see him play in more high pressure situations because they have been limited. And Ramsey is really good. Certainly hard to do what he has done -- coming in cold unexpectedly numerous times not knowing when.

I LOVED Sudfeld over Roberson.....but also liked Blake Powers, so I probably should exit as well.

Until this year, we were a low tier P5 school. We could be again in the near future, who knows. Maybe you didn't mean that as a dig, but I'm not sure why you think that transferring to a middling P5 school or a lower major IF he wanted to insure playing time would be a down thing in his mind. That said, I think there is 0% chance of him transferring. He lost the starting job in a fair competition and was wiling to take the back up spot regardless of Penix's injury. I'd said he likes it at Indiana.

Maybe it is. That assumes that Penix actually finishes a game.....and we still don't have much evidence in terms of what Penix does during crunch time. We've had four games this season that at the beginning of the year we would have viewed as ones that would determine crunch time: Michigan State, Maryland, Nebraska, and Northwestern. Northwestern turned out to a blowout. Michigan State, Penix played the whole way. I will Penix props for taking the team down the field and scoring the game tying TD with two minutes left. The defensive breakdown after that isn't on him. In Maryland and Nebraska, Penix didn't play down the stretch in either. Ramsey did, and he played well. I agree in that I think Penix gives us a better possibility to win against top teams. But I'm also concerned because he hasn't really had much opportunity to perform down the stretch in tight games because of his injury history.

The only thing I see as asinine was bringing Michigan State's defense into a conversation with Ohio State's. Fact: Indiana's defense is closer to Michigan State's than Michigan State's is to Ohio State's. So if you don't want IU's defense to compare to Michigan State's, you shouldn't be comparing performances against Michigan State to Ohio State. It doesn't matter that it's the second best defense we've seen.....it still isn't comparable by any measure. And I don't disagree with the throws that Penix can make that Ramsey can't. But Ramsey has still rated out as a top 25 quarterback by QBR.

Defensively they are giving up a grand total of two more plays per game than we as are. I see the forest just fine.....you were the one trying to compare Ohio St and Michigan State’s defenses.

But nobody is arguing that Ramsey is better. Just that the difference is being exaggerated.

So if we go by ‘what really matters’ is points given up, IU is better than Michigan St. the bottom line is that the Michigan.st v Ohio st comparison was horrible. You saying ‘it’s our best comparison ‘doesn’t change that. Factually, the comparison is so far apart to be meaningless.

Edit: after last night's game, IU's defense is now giving up fewer yards per game than Michigan State's. And if they are better defensively than IU, it's not showing up on yards per game, points per game, or even in yards per play even much you are trying to attribute it to Michigan State's lack of offense. Michigan State totals: yards per pass given up: 6.2 ypp. yards per rush given up: 3.4. Indiana totals: yards per pass give up: 6.3 ypp. yards per rush: 3.8 Ohio State totals: yards per pass: 5.0. yards per rush: 2.6. Michigan State is very similar to IU; really not similar at all to Ohio State. I'm sure that you would never use a comparison of a quarterback's performance against Ohio State's defense to another performance against IU's.....but that's pretty much why you are trying to do in comparing Penix's MSU game to Ramsey's Ohio State one.

Ohio State has the #1 in the nation in yards given up. Michigan State is #7....in the conference. To put it in perspective: Michigan State has given up 40% more yards than Ohio State; if it's the best comparison we can make, it's not real valuable. Michigan State's defensive is much more similar to IU's -- 8th in the conference -- than they are to Ohio State. Another item to put in perspective: IU had 257 offensive yards against Ohio State. They had 356 against Michigan State. Obviously better against Michigan State. But compare that to the seasonal averages those teams has given up: Ohio State gives up 224, Michigan State gives up 313. And, again, I'm not saying Ramsey is as good as Penix (I don't think anyone has said that) but IMO there is a big overstatement on the difference between the two.

It was pretty cold at the game.

Food for thought: ESPN QBR rating has Michael Penix ranked 7thin the nation. Peyton Ramsey is ranked 24th. considering there are probably 130+ with enough throws to qualify, those are damn fine rankings. Penix is ranked as the second best QB in the conference; Ramsey is 6th,

Have we ever been able to say that IU is a bowl caliber team even if they had to play with their QB2?

Things that don’t show up on paper usually show up more in your head than on the field.

Or you don’t make snap judgments based on one game. If Penix was so far ahead of him, his numbers for the year would show it. They don’t.

Yeah....I’m not writing Tuttle’s 2022 season off because of ten passes and twenty handoffs in garbage time this year,

Same here. I just don’t get the knee jerk reactions posted here after three snaps from Ramsey.

They have one. Name is Peyton Ramsey.

Think of it like this IMO: Penix adds a few percentage points in our chance to win. But just a few. and if people think the key to beating penn State is having Penix......last year when penn State beat us 33-28, Ramsey and Penix both played and Ramsey outplayed him.

I was the one posting about possibly a broken collar bone. I wouldn’t say that I was familiar with the guy who said it at the game only that he claimed to know somebody ‘in the athletic department’ who he heard that from. Take it for what it’s worth.

Penix did benefit from the short field a couple of times. I guess I don’t get a couple of things: 1. People arguing that our ceiling isn’t higher with Penix and 2. People acting like there has been a huge difference in the actual results. Peyton Ramsey has done a hell of a job when he’s been in. In fact, he’s probably been more valuable because of the circumstances of when he’s had to play. and the reality is that this team is a bowl team regardless of which one plays.

Rumor floating around here is that they think Penix has a broken collarbone.

Not me. Dude has balled this year. Might even be the better QB when you have a big lead. we’re winning with of them, regardless of who has been in there. Let’s enjoy Penix when he’s in and Ramsey when he’s in.

Well, they average like 10 points per game so I’d take the over.

While it could come back to bite me, if Northwestern has Hunter Johnson it goes in the ‘who cares’ category for me. He was horrible when he played earlier. If northwestern wins it’s likely on the defensive side.