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Adding to the above...you can actually make some pretty compelling pitches regarding vision to guys looking for a new opportunity- it can be more attractive than a middling situation at a P5 school. Regarding the transfer portal, I only know of 2 leaving for sure. It doesn't mean what it always has, obviously.

With the exception of two home runs which I think we're on about an 0-2 count with...program perception is going to be increased through results. I, frankly, don't care about program perception just need reality. You may point to program perception and tie it to recruiting, thus results, but program perception is one of many-mild influences- on recruiting. Yeah, love Cheaney and all but I agree- it's ridiculous. I will say, I think your comparison between Archie and Moser is fairly lazy. They're actually very different coaches with very different systems, experience, personalities. You are correct they are coming from mid major but that's about all I can get down with.

Fwiw, there are MAJOR differences between Porter Moser and Calbert Cheaney. They aren't in the same category from a coaching resume and, thus, candidate perspective.

I think I got an alert once someone thought I had passed away lol I assume bc of my username?

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Bro, I live in Philadelphia. Villanova ain't clean- maybe in comparison but describe your version of clean...

What if your 6 yr old daughter stacked the deck?

Welcome, brotheerrr

Honestly, Hunter is probably the most important

Wow, pretty surprised.

Gettin' some vibes that aren't gonna make this place a blast

Well, that's one take on it. Think whatever you want, brother.

*realizing you're way younger than the "young" bunch but way older than the youngx2/wild bunch who was combatting me w the "money is no thing" approach... Priceless, pun intended.

No worries.

Yeah, idk what to say to this. Money could get there but no way it isn't an issue. That's the way that the world goes round. EDIT: RIP John Prine and screw COVID-19

Huh? Well, you'd be paying the buyout and the contract of whoever you hire if you fire him.

The buyout is 7 million dollars less next year. If you don't think that's an issue, idk what to tell you. Sure, IU can probably get the money but that comes with using a lot of your political capital. I honestly see your second statement I bolded as more pessimistic/fatalistic than based in any reality. Current coaches have contracts, committed recruits, families- lives. Could next years coaching pool be worse? Sure could. Could it be better? Sure could. If it's right this year go for it but if it doesn't I'd say it makes "zero sense" to make a change to make a change.

You both think Archie isn't the answer and needs to go. I'm saying I get that. What you both fail to acknowledge is who you're bringing in to replace him and the realities of that move. I think this is the fork in the road where the reality and the fanatical splits.

I understand you're venting and don't like the current direction of the program. I get that. I just think you may have missed my point. My point was...would you like to have another Archie hire w another 3, 4, 5 year delay? I'm just saying you need to make the right hire when the landscape is right not convenient

That's you, man. I can just tell you IU looks at this in longer terms than you. I can tell you most would agree here that in most industries "rushing" or "forcing" it w regards to employment is generally a bad practice. Which is the "correct" approach to this situation? Idk, I just know they make cars different colors.

They were different perspectives? Mix of ideally/realistic? I think I said something of the sort...

I don't live in Indiana... I don't live in the "fishbowl" I hear about all the time. I know more people on the east coast. Maybe IU basketball doesn't sell on national radio talk but I can tell you it does where it matters which is in basketball circles

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically... Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo.

Definitely not taking this as combative, as you mentioned. Good questions, I'll answer what I do know. I do agree it's not the best time/optics. Unfortunately, the other option is worse. Select a guy you aren't feeling for sure, hire him, pay the buy-out on CAM, pay the salary. Not invest in a program that makes more than 2.5x the storied basketball program. Be back where you're at right now 4 years from now. I get why everyone is looking for a change, I think you do have to consider the flip of the coin and not just next year. Fans do make a difference. Donors make more of a difference. TV deals...mwah. Archie Miller, Tom Allen and Scott Dolson took paycuts...

Can someone remind me of him? Something about "hell" in his username? Maybe lol? Truly forget..it's been a little while, folks. Good to be back albeit wish it were under better circumstances