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Tyme has been further exposed as a total moron.

I'm pretty sure he is about the status and money first and foremost. His effort clearly indicates IUBB comes in a distant third behind those two.

The stakeholders are wise and not kneejerk like the dirty fans. They will observe, evaluate, and contemplate the season as it plays out. Then they will consider all factors and make a strategic and pragmatic decision at the end of the season. This is how it is done at IU. In fact, this is how other schools do it. The unwashed fans just cannot understand the wisdom of the stakeholders -- Quinn really knows basketball!

Archie is bad, but there is no way Woody could do at Dayton what Archie did. Woody could be the worst coach in D1 this year. Top-5 NIL and he's on the bubble... I can't think of anyone else with such a mismatch of resources to results.

I'd love an update on the status of the "stakeholders." If there is not a groundswell, is there at least a "swell" against Mike? I bet there is and was before this. I'd also bet Scott is contemplating moving Mike out and he is planning to do that in three months.

Is Mike Woodson the worst coach in D1 bball? Who is worse?

Classic Woody game. He is so bad. Hope Cook and Yonkman are enjoying this.

Yea. There is just no reason it should be this way.

Looking at the whole season, and the odd airballs. It’s surprising he is better than this.

How did KC turn out to be so bad?

Not good when all these high school players take a hard look at Woody’s program and pass. I don’t blame them. I have a suspicion most of our portal gets were mostly because we paid way more than anyone else would.

Spot on. Even if the FB team won just eight games this year, I think this would still be happening. We have a FB program that is confident, unafraid, putting forward maximum effort, playing smart, and rejecting all excuses. And they're doing this at a historically very bad program. Personally that is all I can ask for, so even when they lose, I don't mind because I know it was a serious best effort worthy of support. It's almost the total opposite with the bball program. I'm not seeing basic efforts put forward in all sorts of areas, mostly with the staff, which is covered in this thread. And for me and many others this breaks the implicit pact with team and the students/alumni/fans, and thus we see a pretty empty AH and declining interest. And it's not a high bar to get the fans excited, so when they aren't, something is very wrong.

Yea, didn't buy us much fun in the Bahamas. TBD on the rest of the year, but not looking great.

Well, he is supposed to land HS recruits and he has tried. He gets one here and there. It’s still an issue.

I really believe like 15 or so coaches could do well here. It's so much easier now with NIL -- the coach doesn't need to be a recruiting savant, which mostly used to mean under the table payments, something IU didn't do much of. It's all above board now and we're a big time player. Get someone who knows the modern game/strategy and can develop players, bring them and their whole staff, give them the big checkbook, and there we go. I think Scott gets it and has a good chance to get it right. That said, if anyone is apprehensive after the last 25 years of screw-ups, I get it, and I am too to some extent.

Yea. He can't function properly as a coach with two years on his deal. Even his best pal donors aren't gonna have much of a case here barring a huge turnaround. Anyone with any sort of connections to the program is hearing this. Good point on attendance. The apathy must be noticed and probably factors in. I do think we get better and make the tourney, there is still talent on this team, but our seeding won't be great and big neutral floor games are not Woody's specialty. We'll see. What a mess.

Agree. Recruiting the '26 HS class, which is a process that starts next year, isn't really doable when those kids see the coach's contract expires in '26, meaning they only have one year with the coach and his job isn't secure to begin with. It's a terrible signal. Even the '25 portal players will struggle with this dynamic.

That was the first year of NIL. We paid them, which wasn't everything, but it helped.

No, you do defend him. We know why things happened and of course no one here can change it. I’m just pointing out why our “process” doesn’t work. IU should know better.

Agree on this point. We have always had basic issues managing the bball program, from the search committee that interviewed no one and hired MD, to Herbert/trustees pushing Kelvin, and of course Quinn. Will we ever learn?

It's not my world, it's the world of successful organizations. Here is another issue: how do you quantify whatever it is Quinn did that is supposedly good? Point us to the increased number of wins, conference titles, or tournament runs. I don't get why you feel compelled to defend Quinn. So many people put Quinn, Woody, and others ahead of the program and I don't understand why. It's a shame.

I don’t know why talking with candidates is such a challenge for IU. It’s like 1-2 days of discussions per candidate and you get to a yes or no. We just saw UK talk to three to five coaches (hard to know exactly how many) before going with Pope. This is not that difficult, yet IU struggles. The key is letting Scott lead the process. He will do it properly and not get fazed by a no.

He thought Woody was the right hire because he is his best pal and his NBA career had sputtered out. It’s also not Quinn’s job to pick the basketball coach. It’s the AD’s job. This is organization management 101, there are probably some online courses from Kelley if you need more detail. This is a case study in organizational failure. Quinn ruined four seasons and counting of IUBB.

His Chairmanship is over summer 2025. Some chatter he will retire from the board too.

Not great, though his top priority is that $4.2M salary paid biweekly.