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Put Dorn in a competent lineup and those worries aren’t greatly exaggerated. Every team has a guy that shoots 3’s on offense and guards the opposing teams worst perimeter player.

Who cares? Again, we aren’t looking for an all-conference player for Dorn’s role. A 20-22 mpg 5th starter/6th man that shoots volume 3’s at a more than respectable clip is more than suffice, especially when it’s only a mid 6 figure pay day. There’s one player on next years team that averages 2+ made 3’s a game for their career. Dorn is at 2.5. More importantly, Dorn’s price tag allows you to get at least one more quality bench player, if not 2.

Miles ended up at Loyola Marymount and Dorn joined a preseason top 25 team. Dorn provides something next years team lacks (along with other things) and that’s perimeter shooting.

I’ve read he peaked very early in high school and was way ahead of everybody. Duke had a starting guard get hurt for a significant stretch this season and he didn’t see an uptick in minutes. Think he had a great relationship with Kenny Johnson more than anything else.

You can hide Dorn in a lineup that features Sherrell and Samet in the front court as they offer rebounding and rim protection that didn’t exist last year with DeVries and Bailey/Alexis.

Dorn is “bad” strictly if you look at him as scoring option #2 or #3. As a mid 6 figures player averaging 8 and shooting 38% from 3 on volume in the 5th starter/6th man role…he’s a bargain. What’s the consensus on Harris going to be when he averages 8 ppg in ~22 min shooting 35% from 3 on less volume than Dorn? A waste of money.

Harris may ultimately prove to be the “better” overall player than Dorn, probably incrementally, but who cares? It’s about at what cost? You can’t tell me with a straight face that Harris and Dorn are commanding the same amount of money. We told Dorn to take a pay cut for a lesser role to acquire Harris, that’s pretty obvious. Did we sacrifice depth reaching for Harris and to an extent Mustaf? Time will tell, but we’re an injury away from being awful once again. Staff can’t afford that this year.

If we ran out of money after 6 players, we paid Harris a lot. There’s no other explanation for such a poorly constructed roster.

He was 8 ppg 38% shooter on volume last year. It all counts. That’s more than practical for a 5th starter that plays a little over 20 mpg. Harris is going to need to far exceed that as a 6th man to justify paying 7+ figures. Dorn and someone like Del Jones probably cost similar to what IU paid Harris. Thats a ton more bang for your buck.

Wouldn’t that in theory also apply to Dorn? IU lacked a consistent 2nd scoring option all year behind Wilkerson. After Dorn went on a little heater in late January, teams treated him as such, and he struggled. Dorn would never be more than a 4th/5th option in almost any combination lineup next year. 8 points on 38% volume 3 point shooting for your 5th starter isn’t bad, especially when he’s only commanding $500-750k. What level of production do you need to see from Harris to justify paying 7 figures?

From a production standpoint, Harris isn’t likely to surpass Dorn from last year and you’re likely paying Harris 2-3x the amount you could have paid Dorn. When you’re operating on a budget and need to fill as many holes as IU did this offseason, every dollar counts. If Harris can average 10-11 off the bench and shoot from the perimeter at a clip similar to Dorn, I’ll shut up. But more likely than not, Harris is going to put up production numbers similar to Dorn but at a significantly higher cost.

? He’s the perfect floor spacer for a 2 big lineup and as a 5th scoring option. And probably costs half the money of Harris who hasn’t done anything in his career. The money used to acquire Mustaf and Harris ($2.5-$3m) could have been used to retain Dorn, added an actual playable big off the bench, and likely an older/experienced guard from a mid or low major to be an 8th-9th man. Samet Sherrell Dorn Lindsay Burton is still a really good starting 5 and a bench of Sisley Playable big Moody Veteran guard Karvala/Manhertz sure as hell beats whatever we’re going to trot off the bench this year. We’re an injury away from being worse than last year.

Who said anything about a lower tier big? $1.5M would have gone a long way in securing a solid 15-18 mpg big off the bench. Doubly, it prevents the staff from completely running Sherrell and/or Samet into the ground by seasons end playing each 30+ a night. God forbid one of them gets hurt, season is over if that is the case. I’m not sold on either Harris or Mustaf, lofty high school rankings be damned, which are completely irrelevant at this stage. You may be, that’s your opinion. Dorn is a proven high level 3 pt shooter on good volume, we don’t have any of those next year. I’m not convinced the production from Harris or Mustaf is going to match the price tag they came with, especially compared to what Dorn was likely commanding.

What’s mediocre about have a solid bench? Have we just convinced ourselves Harris is better than Dorn? Mediocrity is best case scenario if one of Sherrell or Samet get hurt.

Why? What does Harris do that Dorn can't? Is Harris going to be a 38% volume 3 point shooter this year? I think that is absolute best case scenario for Harris this year. He's not an elite athlete or a lock down defender. His best case scenario is what Dorn did last season while likely making twice the amount. What happens when Samet rolls an ankle in the middle of January and is out 3 weeks with a high ankle sprain? You going to play Sherrell 40 minutes a night with Sisley playing next to him for 32 minutes for 6-7 straight games? How's that going to work? What happens when Sherrell picks up 2 fouls before the first media timeout? Yeah good luck.

I really want to know what we spent on Mustaf and Harris. Something tells me collectively it's between $2.5-$3mil. That's too much if that's the case. Dorn and a solid back up big that can play 15-18mpg would have been a much better bang for your buck.

Well yes, maybe spots 9-10. The emphasis on top 100 doesn't mean a whole lot these days when you can upgrade your roster every offseason with 22-24 year old proven players. Karvala and Manhertz may have high ceilings, but physically, I wouldn't expect much from them this season. And why would you? If all three freshman are key components of your rotation, you're likely in trouble. Doubly if someone like Sherrell or Burton get hurt.

Career averages for our 6th and 7th players next year Harris 8.4 mpg 2.8 ppg Sisley 13.2 mpg 4.4 ppg That's not good. Not to mention there isn't a primary ballhandler or a serviceable big man on the bench. Agree that the overall talent level has gotten better, but you could easily make the case this roster is constructed worse this year than last year.

You have two primary ballhandlers on the team, Burton and Monden. One is injury prone and the other statistically was one of the worst 50 players in all of college basketball last year. Lindsay playing 38 minutes at PG next year in the event of injury next year. If one of Samet or Sherrell go down next year, your front court is Sisley and Sokolov. That's horrendous.

Not having any depth whatsoever is a major concern, especially when your point guard missed significant time each of the last two season due to injury.

The difference is that UConn had Malachi Smith coming off the bench. Smith was a 3 year starter at Dayton. We literally don't have a backup PG. That's the problem.

If the core stay healthy, should be much better this year. But we're also an injury away from being worse than last year.

Karvala,Manhertz, Skolov, Monden, and likely whoever gets the last spot. Ideally Moody is your 9th or 10th man next year, he’s going to be 7th or 8th. 6th and 7th players are Sisley and Harris who really haven’t shown anything. It’s an even bigger drop off after that. We lack ball handlers and any kind of reliable front court depth.

11th or 13th is redundant, that means all 3 freshman are in the top 10 and that’s no bueno. We needed a 7th and 8th man, feels like we have 5-6 players who would normally be in that 11-13 rotation range.

Very interested to know what we paid Harris vs what Dorn was asking.