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Nope. And Hardaway wouldn’t say it was.

I think you answered this with your 1st 7 words. Let’s see a roster and a staff before we try to judge them.

Not just you. He wouldn’t be my hire, but I love the guy and I’d love rooting like hell for him.

Couple of things: 1) Bobby Hurley won their conference the 2 years before Oats got the gig. That was a really good program and he then did a terrific job of continuing to elevate it. 2) Based on what you have posted repeatedly in thread after thread, you want a successful P5 guy. I agree that that’s ideal, so if your insinuating that you would have been hot on a Buffalo-era Nate Oats, yeah ok.

Absolutely true. I’m not saying he’s the guy at all. I prefer other guys. But comparing him to Tonagel or a HS coach is silly. How about this comparison: If we were having this conversation in 2019, Buffalo was 28-3 and Nate Oats was the hottest mid-major coach going. People around here and outside would have been touting him. He would have had a thread. And he went into the tournament and got boat raced by Chris Beard. Lost by by 20 and scored 58 points. Tell me with a straight face that his thread wouldn’t have looked exactly like this one. Over-rated mid major guy. System doesn’t translate. Overmatched. Insert your favorite insult here. Bama, undeterred, hooks him up and suddenly, when coaching Kira Lewis, John Petty and Herb Jones, he goes from being Nate Oats to being NATE OATS.

I know Muss likes to help late, but, man, you have to help at some point.

Imagine he’ll be in play at OU.

Arkansas had better not let this one be a late game decision. ORU has ball handlers and free throw shooters. They can close a game.

Useless fact about ORU: when I was there and and for something like the 1st 30 years of the school’s existence they were the Titans. Then some student observed that the Titans were a part of Greek mythology and therefore the school was using a pagan symbol for a mascot. Someone brought it to the attention of Oral himself and he said, yeah I guess that probably doesn’t really work. Hence, the Golden Eagles. Before her, none of us noticed,

I’m in a different place. I agree with you on the recruiting piece, an IU coach will be able to recruit. But for me, if you can’t bring aboard someone who can change things by shear force of their accomplishments, and I’ve never believed for a second that someone like Stevens or Beard was ever in play here, I want a young guy whose talent as a game coach and player development plan are things I buy into. My guy, and there’s not a close second, is Wes Miller from UNCG. Love him. He’s not a hot young coach, he’s a great young coach. One of the elite bench coaches in cbb already. I think he’s a hall of farmer in waiting. And I’m pretty sure if Dolson agreed with me and hired the guy Bloomington would look like a smoking nuclear crater.

They are, and with a 35 point 2nd half explosion!

Judge him however you judge him. If you judge solely on result rather than process, that’s fine. It’s certainly common. It precludes the need to project. And Moser is not my #1 guy at all, I just think he’s a very competent and legit guy, and the idea that someone would compare him unfavorably to someone like Michael Lewis is just fundamentally not a serious opinion to me. What I judge, and I’ve probably watched a dozen Loyola games over the last few years is, so a fair sample size, is: does their offense create looks, does it fit the personnel and can it be adjusted on the fly, do the players run it efficiently, do they defend with urgency, are they connected on both ends, do they play the full clock and do they maintain their discipline late, and do the kids get better. That’s most of what I look for in a nutshell. I look at what Loyola does and project it with B1G caliber athletes and I’m completely confident he can win with it.

See, and it’s not like you and I didn’t already know this, but if 1 half of basketball would ever under any circumstances matter to you in judging a guy, then you and I are probably never gonna get to the same place. Which, if nothing else, makes the conversation interesting.

The best thing OSU did was jump late into their defenses. They were forcing Loyola to burn 5 secs or so of their possessions deciphering and adjusting and it was pushing them into late clock situations. Great job by them. And, yet, Loyola got looks all game. And missed them. He’s not my 1st choice, believe me, my 1st choice getting the job would really piss people off. But he’s a legit guy to me. If you don’t think he’s a B1G guy, ok. But he just beat a B1G guy and went farther than 8 of them.

Yeah, me neither. And I probably should have put this in the Moser thread given that I’m just poking people’s cataclysmic overreaction over there.

Well, Baylor just scored 23 points in a half and are down 7 to a team missing their best player. Oh, and shot 2-12 from 3. . So, we’re done with Scott Drew now, right?

Dinosaur offense? Stop it. Their 5 out series is exactly what Bama runs, though they run more Princeton chin series because Krutwig doesn’t shoot it well enough. Their elbow series is almost identical to Nova’a series. They were a mediocre shooting team all year, and today they were a terrible shooting team. But they turned it over a grand total of 8 times and they created open looks, which they then missed pretty much all of. 67 teams in this tournament are gonna lose. And if people want to bust out a 20 year sample size instead of a 4 year sample size to trash the guy as a coach, ok. But that dude can absolutely coach, absolutely can, and unless someone wants to break out their issues with his coaching with actual, ya know, analysis , than just summing it all up with “dinosaur offense” is not a real convincing argument.

Well, this reaction is certainly surprising.

Isn’t that kind of the nature of program building? You define the needs of your system. You identify and recruit kids who fill them without making exceptions. You coach and develop them until they provide what you need. If a coach as good as Moser isn’t someone Dolson would vet and consider, I just don’t know what to say to that.

Their footwork and movement as a group is so good. They are forcing these long possessions but maintaining cohesion except for the 1 baseline miscommunication. I know it bugs some folks, but that’s really good coaching.

You’d have that with John Beilein, and he could start on Monday.

Maybe. But what I’m confident is true is Öats’ agent taking that offer to Greg Byrne and Byrne saying, “yeah, no problem.” The only reason for Öats to leave there for IU is if he believes his chance of winning NC’s is significantly better. And in today’s environment that’s just not the case.

Yeah, I’ll bet Nova and UVA really regret getting jobbed by those stiffs they hired who don’t understand their culture and are clearly just about the paycheck. And Bama must be kicking themselves over that Nate Oats’ hire when they could have had Mike Davis, who played there and really gets the program. Jesus.

Hadn’t seen this before. It’s very good. They broke a lot of tendencies against Illinois. They played every conceivable coverage against Illinois’ high ball screens, and they were so unpredictable that I’ve watched the game twice and I still don’t know what was keying their calls. And their offense is very nearly as good. So much variety. Their 5 out sets are different than Bama’s because Krutwig is such a dynamite facilitator, but not a shooter. That kid’s the Domas Sabonis of CBB. So they just run seam cut after seam cut and he just finds angles. And their elbow actions had Cockburn just lost. They kept bringing that tight curl cut and Cockburn had no clue how to deal with it. Krutwig was probably the worst matchup for Cockburn in the entire field. And they just never stop moving. They create so much good stuff. Was looking at their roster, and if Moser is thinking about his next move, this is the time. Krutwig, Clemons, Williamson and Uguak are all seniors.

You are not solo. But if we’re gonna be Butch and Sundance, you gotta be the one doing the thinking.