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On paper, this looks like a legitimate top 6 in the Big 10 type roster. I didn't think IU had it in them to get this talent in the door. Props to Dolson, Devries, and Carr. Also much gratitude to the NIL donors. After years (decades?) of mediocrity, its impressive to still have this much support. The big task now is making all the peices fit. Cautiously optimistic, but IU basketball is still in the "show me first" category.

We may very well end up with 2 or 3 off the top of our board, but we also have to understand how these transfers leverage school interest. Everyone knows we are desperate and will pay reasonably well, so agents garner IU interest and drive up the asking price.

Need! Throw money at this kid

In an alternate timeline Woodson is fired a year earlier, IU hires Dusty May, IU proceeds to miss the tournament in his first 2 years, and the "fire Dusty May" thread is popping.

"________, ________ Carr. ________, ______ high upside. Devries ______, ______ potential. ______ tournament expectations." You fill in the rest.

I'm looking forward to hearing the spin after IU inevitably signs a 20-something ranked transfer class.

I don't live in Indiana anymore. Do people even talk about IU bball now or is it an afterthought?

IU could hire any coach they want, and at this point, I wouldn't expect much different results.

It doesnt change the fact that most of the fan base lives in la-la land.

Where in the world are the top coaches then?

So is that because Devries isnt a good coach but all those other guys are?

My argument is a simple one: Poor decision making by IU leadership + unrealistic fan expectations = toxic culture to coach Fan expectations for Creans first few years were tempered by extraneous circumstances. The poor leadership was the same.

We are lost in the desert wilderness for nearly 40 years being supported by mana from Bob Knight heaven.

Different era, different circumstances. Fan base has already shown cracks with Devries support.

And yet, after an 18-14 first season (literally IUs average season over the last 2 decades), some fans are ready to move on...I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said, but the fan base will not be patient. AND... how can we trust IUs leadership to get the next hire right?

I'm going to go back to hate watching Purdue. Miami actually looks like the better team, though Purdues experience may end up being enough to pull this out.

We have a fan base living in the 90s, an inept administration, and borderline toxic culture. Cignetti success just puts that much more pressure on any IU bball coach

I am definitely not a diehard TC fan, but if you look at the data, we actually havr been worse without him. And this simply supports the notion that "its more than coaching"

I didnt say we should have kept Tom Crean. I simply said our fan base expectations ran him out of town, but in retrospect he had the most success of any IU bball coach since Knight.

Over the last 20 years IU has averaged a 19-14 record. Keep in mind there have been 6 coaches during this timeframe.

I appreciate the cherry picking of data to try to back your narrative of "its just poor coaching". Obviously, its much more than that.

Its not the fan base, its everything; administration, AD, coaching, fan expectations...literally everything except money is working against any head coach that takes this job.

How's it been since?

No it's not. Crean was run out of town despite having big 10 champs and sweet 16 appearances.

Agree with this sentiment. The pressure and expectations for IU football pre 2024 were essentially zero. The pressure and often times unrealistic expectations for IU bball are sky high despite 20 years of mediocrity. Potential head coaches understand this well. It makes the job at IU quite risky and potentially career defining.