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Exactly, and like we were saying yesterday, even Woodson has said he hasn't run his NBA style due to his personnel since getting to Indiana. This isn't some NBA system that Woodson has run here.

Bro, not only watch it, worked in the league for 5 years. Been on the team planes, been in the locker rooms during games. That's one example, rarely works. There's a reason there was a big article about it rare.

I wasn't talking about execution, never mentioned execution. I was speaking on the actions and designs that NBA coaches run. They're way more sophisticated and it's not remotely close. I never mentioned anything about JHS. We ran some high ball screen action for him, mostly against Purdue and other defenses that played drop coverage, but there were times Woodson did run some very well designed sets to get JHS to that open mid range. What's your point?

It depends on what you mean by less varied? Are you referring to junk defenses like a triangle and 2 that high school coaches sometimes run? Ok, sure varied, but only because you'd get absolutely torched running garbage defense in the NBA. NBA defenses schematically are light-years more sophisticated and complicated than any HS defense. It's laughable to suggest otherwise. Same for offense. The actions NBA coaches develop to create specific mismatches are also infinitely more sophisticated than any HS offense.

Honestly, I've been posting on these various boards since 2008 and you're take on this is one of the widlest, craziest I've ever seen. The offenses in the NBA are infinitely better, the actions they run are infinitely better, the ATO's are infinitely better than anything in college or high school, and defenses are way more sophisticated.

Right! NBA defenses are way more sophisticated than anything in college and certainly high school.

I watch a ton of NBA, and have my entire life, also worked for an NBA team for 5 years. The idea that even the best Indiana HS coaches are as good as NBA coaches with X's and O's is ludicrous.

Don't mean to speak for @btownqb but I think the confusion is that he's referring to stylistically I don't think he's saying Cupps should have been a 5* burger boy, and hes not saying Cupps is coming in and starting with 25mpg. He's saying that several people have compared Cupps game to Hulls which isnt very accurate. Cupps game stylistically and the attributes he he has are more like how Yogi played.

Yeah, my thing coming into the season was I was hoping the offense would look more like it did during BTT last season when we ran much more PnR with XJ and TJD, as opposed to running through the post. It happened some this season in certain matchups (ie against Purdue both times), but not as much as I was anticipating. In Woodson's defense, I think the offense would have looked different if XJ and JHS had been healthy at the same time. We only saw that for a handful of games.

Wait, wait, did you actually say Indiana HS coaches are better then NBA coaches? Please tell me I misread that?

Sure there are always exceptions and guys at each level that stand out, but generally speaking NBA coaches are way more sophisticated in terms of X's and O's. Much better with ATO's and especially defensively.

I haven't seen Cupps enough to know, but everything I've read and heard says he's a much better athlete than Hulls. Not much really of a comparison between the two. Also in terms of style, Hulls, who was great, was a shooting guard in a point guards body. Cupps is a point guard.

NBA guys are excellent with X's and O's. Way more advanced then college coaches.

Agree. Just saying if he did go to Maryland, while certainly a great pull for Willard, you never know how the pieces are going to actually fit together. While Dickinson can hit 3's, he's still best around the paint, same with Reece, and how does that impact Young's ability to penetrate. I'd be surprised if Dickinson stays in the Big Ten too though.

And who knows? If Maryland gets Dickinson, it could flop. Young, Dickinson and Reece sounds like a great group, but how well do Reece and Dickinson play together? How does that work offensively. You just never know. Remember that Maryland team that had Trimble, Stone, the Suluiman (sp?) and Layman? They were really good with Layman at the 4 and that core group. The next year they added that transfer at the 4, I think from Georgia Tech maybe? But, that pushed Layman to the wing, taking away his advantage of being defended by 4's the previous season, and the transfer 4 and Stone didn't really mesh. They had a decent season, but weren't close to being National Title contenders that they were touted to be. Long story, short, the pieces don't always fit.

As Stuhoo said, they're different players and play different roles. Gunn is a wing and Cupps is a point guard. Gunn came in as a wing that lacked strength and couldn't make shots. Cupps is a point guard that brings bball IQ, much like Smith from Purdue, good handles, strong passer, doesn't turn it over and can make shots. Just different players with different credentials coming in. With that said, I think Gunn can make a leap and has a lot of tools to work with.

Why do you think he won't be more prepared then Gunn? Gunn came in pretty raw. Cupps is a coaches kid that has played extremely high level basketball on the AAU and high school circuit. Again, if Braeden Smith can do what he did, I see nothing in Cupps game that indicates he can't be a regular rotation contributor next season.

Purdue also asked Braeden Smith the be the starting point guard and play 30ish minutes per game, that's an entire different ballgame then backing up XJ and playing 15ish mpg. Everything I've seen, and I'm not a huge follower of these guys in high school, indicates that Cupps is better then Smith. So if Smith can be the starting point guard on a team that wins the Big Ten regular season title, wins the BTT title and is a #1 seed, then I sew no reason why Cupps can't be a regular rotation player for IU and be a plus-contributor in 15mpg. I actually think we're under-selling Cupps. The kid can play.

In fairness to Woodson, he's alluded to the same thing, and pretty much said he's never run an offense like this but was playing to his personnel. I actually like that. My frustration with some of our previous coaches was that they ran their system regardless of personnel, I'd much rather have a coach that adapts to his guys strengths. With that said, I also think Woodson could have done some more things to play a more current style this season, especially given TJD's ball-handling and passing improvements.

Would also prefer he goes out of conference, but if he does go to Michigan I'm isolating on him every trip down. Get him switched onto XJ or another scoring guard/wing we have coming in and Go To Work!

All true, but there is no problem in that. 13 guys can't play. Most rotations only go 8-9 guys at most. It's actually great having your 13th scholarship guy that is "all-in" on the program, is a program and university ambassador, works extremely hard, is a phenomenal teammate and as far as we know doesn't complain about being the 13th guy. That's actually a pretty ideal situation.

Completely agree. I'd like to see us add another guard and a wing.

I would absolutely prefer Ledlum.

Yeah, I got a ton of heat from a select few on here last summer for maintaining that JG was NOT a wing and that he needed to focus on being a junkyard dog, dirty work forward that defended, rebounded, etc., and stop worrying about the perimeter play. He was never going to be a wing here and certainly wasn't taking Kopp's spot.

Just going off what my UNC fan buddies say, but what they say is that he's a straight gunner that not only takes horrible shots but takes a high volume of them. They were begging for him to be benched.