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Oh I see that it’s a year old now. So the point is to establish the poster’s cred

What’s the “Mike” clue in the embed? Lewis? If so who’s out? Wouldn’t happen until UCLA is eliminated...

If IU is going to delay the inevitable for a season and thus kneecap recruiting etc. for an additional year, I’ll just check out and be a casual fan until the next coaching regime. Miller teams are a slog to watch even in the “best” of times.

Yup, or unless he flees to “greener” pastures to avoid a chilly AH

Would you guess he takes a fresh start, or you think there’s a big fish that can’t be caught until late spring?

Archie didn’t inherit the roster Bruce Weber got from Self at Illinois but he got a perfectly normal high major coaching change situation. One year of Rob Johnson, two of Juwan Morgan, three of De’Ron Davis and Devonte Green, plus he chose to try and succeed to keep Al Durham, Justin Smith, and Clifton Moore. That’s perfectly fine and I’m soooo sick of the idea it was uniquely bad. It’s better than what Underwood got, similar to what Oats got...

Current roster has 6 top 100 RSCI guys, and Oats landed all but one. So Miller’s second year team had one more inherited too 100 guy; he had two: Davis and Smith.

My take as well. In general I think LOTS of coaches could succeed at IU and that includes these two...but who knows? So you take the best candidate, which no matter who says no and no matter your criteria is probably much farther up the list.

I do anticipate SOMETHING tomorrow, either a “he’s fallen short but we’re bringing him back (as of now)” presser or, y’know, end of the line. Which makes me think rumors might be flying around tonight if/when a presser is scheduled

Alford is on my “no” list because of off-court stuff and because he’s a lower-ceiling option than everyone else. Better than what we’ve got, maybe fewer “down” years than Crean but I doubt he’d reach or exceed Crean’s highs. While they’ve both been to S16s, Crean built at least one legit title contender. Alford’s only regular season conference titles were at New Mexico

Oats...yes Drew...yes Mack...yes Stevens....yes Donovan....yes Beard....yes Musselman...yes Pearl...no — can obviously coach but no sanctions, please Matta...yes — if he’s healthy I think this is an interesting option Alford.... no Stuhoo’s Gates....yes Beilein..... yes (but I’d do some digging on how recruiting might go and how he’d be received by the current team. he made a mistake in what he said but I doubt anyone thinks it’s reflective of his deepest held convictions) Fife...yes Enfield.....yes Wes Miller...yes though I’m less convinced he’s a can’t-miss P5 winner than some

Wonder if a change is coming at Miami (FL)? Another interesting landing spot if Archie moves on.

Yeah he’s top-tier for me. He just got extended and we probably couldn’t outbid Alabama if he wanted to stay. Also, a senior he inherited that was the 148 recruit won SEC POY. But sure the issue is that Archie needs more time

Oats, paraphrased: “how we shoot on 3s should determine the margin of our win, not whether we win.” (And they shoot lots of threes.) love that.

Oh totally — it’s just not typical! Reminds me a little of the Matta separation timing at OSU.

Celtics have five games the last eight days of this month, if things go poorly before then that’s when you could imagine the sort of mutual “we need a new voice to salvage the season even though we love Brad” choice (especially if he’d like out).

I realize Stevens is a long shot but I’m trying to game out how he’d end up an option this cycle. By all accounts the Celts’ owner and GM genuinely want him around despite their struggles this year, which leaves two paths, the first more likely: 1. He coaches the rest of the season and leaves thereafter. Celts are 5th in the East; 4th and 11th are separated by 3 games total. If you assume the Bulls (11th) sell some vets to bolster their future, the top ten is pretty set. The NBA is bringing back the play-in tourney for seeds 7-10, which will be over May 21. If the Celtics slip to 7th or lower, they could be done then. (It’s possible but more likely in my book that they finish above that but don’t survive the first round.) 2. He leaves midseason. It would be basically unprecedented for him to do so explicitly to take a college job, but if he wants the job I wonder if they’d use a losing streak or something as a mutually agreed-upon reason to ease him out. Feels rare for a change in May/June as #1 above would be, but if he’s your man then you absolutely do it. I just wonder if at that point it would be more likely you stick with Miller another year with an established understanding with Stevens that it’s his job thereafter. (Of course we’d prefer sooner.)

So potentially very good news it Pitt opens up. Also if the plan is “move on for willing top tier candidate,” and Dolson and Archie are on the same page, as Dolson said, you’d think it might motivate Archie to move for the right gig, since that probably looks better than being replaced. Maybe not.

Is Penn State at all interested in retaining their interim guy? Thought he did well given the circumstances. Hoping Pitt opens, too, though Sean Miller might be angling for that one. Maybe they prefer the cleaner option?

Watching major conference tournament semis, I’m struck by how many big wings the best teams play — sometimes even four at a time. By my count Archie recruited four of those, all in his first class except one: Langford, Hunter, Anderson, Geronimo. I’m simply not sure why you’d try to win with mostly traditional posts and small-to-average height guards. But then again I don’t think he really utilized those guys well, including Smith, so maybe he hurt his chances at more.

Knight’s team was ranked top five at some point in each of his first six years, went to a final 4 in y2, undefeated until an injury y4, undefeated national champ y5. Davis was ranked at some point each of the first three years and went 6-3 in the tournament in those years. Sampson: ranked both years, won a tournament game in y1, 22-4 and top ten when fired. Crean: probably should’ve been better in y3 but y4 got into the top 10 and lost a great game to the champs in the sweet sixteen. No need to make the Archie excuses with the next coach. They don’t “need their guys” or “need to implement their system” in a way that takes years. Year one is almost always a transition of sorts but basketball isn’t football, you only need a small number of players to be pretty darn good. Michigan’s a good example: they’ve got six real Dudes (Smith, Brooks, Wagner, Livers, Dickinson, Brown) and some other guys who are either limited backups or youngsters who don’t contribute much but have some potential.

*four year stretch under a single coach

Yes, hard to overstate that the ONLY comparable four year stretch in IU history in terms of poor outcomes is Crean’s first four years, and he inherited a much bigger mess. We’d all take Crean’s first four and where we stood then over Archie’s first four every day of the week.

Impossible to tell if Archie’s a good Xs and Os coach since he has no interest in preventing opponents from shooting threes OR creating threes for his offense. It’s as though he doesn’t know they’re worth an extra point

? https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/bill-comar/2993