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Maybe not a in the portal but he was definitely not a sure thing to come back right?

Yeah I agree. I think he gambled on his ability to pull in some high end recruits and lost that gamble. He did have a lot of success early in getting kids in from the portal and maybe he thought IU could recruit itself. That plan seemed to have some merit when we had some good portal gets and a lot of high end recruits visit. But when he could not close them out, combined with how we have played this year and his age he does not seem to have a path forward.

I agree with you. It isn’t hard to find substantive weaknesses with the team without the need to tear Woody to pieces. I know this is the Fire Woody thread but there is a way to discuss this without repeating the attacks on Woody.

Yeah, why do that. Just making it easy for people to say we have a toxic fan base.

Are Painter and Shrews there again too?

What does he mean that the body of the team is being prepared for last rites?

I get it but I have thought all along you had to let more of the season play out. I doubt a decision has been made and think Dolson has been leaning towards a decision but does not have enough information to make that. If he had decided to keep Woody then we will need the vote of confidence thing soon or Woody won’t be able to really add any valuable recruits

Which podcast is it

Imagine if you were recruiting this top 10 recruit and by all accounts he was leaning your way. Then suddenly he is a heavy lean to your opponent. One who even RMK hinted was not following the same rules. They may not have been as bad as KY but they were another level. So back to the recruit you worked your butt off to get. When you find out that the other team is offering cash and a car, extreme violations, I can see how you might be inclined to say enough and try to do something about it. I am sure if he could have gotten better advice he would have not released the tape but I for one got tired of running a clean program and wished someone would help take down one of these programs.

What do you base your assumption on?

I was in Wilkie in 84/85. Don't come across many people who lived there. Probably because we are all so successful and don't have time to post.

Have you seen where people will put a note on their FB page about supporting some cause for their birthday and hoping people will contribute. Well, i have an idea for you...

We lived on the west side of Elletsville near the HS when I was finishing school and working for the HT. We left in 1995 but drove through recently and it seems the roads through town are completely different now. Great little town.

Good coaches have all the power so for BP to have a lower buyout if he chose to leave vs if the schoold decided he should leave recognizes this. As to why he would want a lower buyout if he were to leave based on the idea that he intended for this to be a lifetime contract and or his last gig, well, things change. If a new president came in or a new AD and they did not share the same vision he may decide it is better to move on. If rumors are true, he seems to want to change apparel sponsorship, get a new basketball only facility and possibly get a guarantee his son will be his successor then maybe these are things he did not initially consider but feels is needed for him to continue to compete at Auburn (not so much his son as successor). Regarding the son as successor, I wonder if that would be the draw to keep him at Auburn vs leaving for IU. I doubt we will guarantee that but they might and I could see it being the tiebreaker.

If I remember correctly Buckner was one of the conduits to Brad Stevens. NBA connections. @Chris007 would probably know if true or not. But if he was, maybe he has doubts we can land one of the big fish.

Are you assuming the same people who bent over backwards are still here?

Pearl had a 3 year show cause i believe which limited him from college coaching.

Not as scary as that but I had guy walking in front of me that could not decide where to walk so as approaching i a trying to find a side to pass him on. Last second he again pivots right into my path so i tried to go a little wide of him but ended up losing my traction and wiped out. No time to catch myself as I left the bike, fell into a big puddle, lost shoes, ear buds and was a bit livid at this fella. Ended up with no broken bones but damage to lower legs and my palms and still have a little blood on my earbud. Miss running. Anyone ever run in the intramural relays at IU? We had a team win that one year when I thought i was fast lol

Do we have limits for visits to things like sectional games? If so, saving those for the next staff is a great conspiracy theory - which i am a sucker for.

waiting for the announcement about Brian Wash being fired from Woodson's staff

Sounds interesting but sure hope he isn’t using Mrs Stevens as an attorney

Can you summarize

I almost did this as well. Personally I think Woody made a tactical recruiting mistake going after a select few highly ranked kids and over valuing our current guards. But he was closer to landing a stud class and I believe I read where he had more top 20 Kids visit than any recent coach. Had he hit on boogie and DQ with Liam things may look a lot differently. Unfortunately he missed and did not have a good back up plan besides the portal and then this year really raised a lot of concerns. But I bet we could find many of the posters in this thread enjoying where we thought we were when Trilly was posting hints about us landing the trio. Not only did he miss now it looks like he will have a lot of roster turnover and he will have a big rebuild. At his age, this does not seem plausible and I would agree with a change.

Let's look at Pearl or Drew vs May. Same number of FFs i believe so from that criteria, a good one, there is little difference. Except, Crean got to a FF too. As did Mike Davis, hmm. Ok well some would argue that Dusty built FAU from nothing. This is true and certainly noteworthy and helps build the case for him. But how do you know he did not just get lucky with a few recruits that elevated the team? The fact that none were top 100 kids is good but there have been examples of non top 100 kids outplaying their ranking. Can he build class after class to compete like the one he has now? Can he recruit at a P5 school? Top 25/50 player are different and can he excel with them? Sure thing candidates to me are able to have sustained success at the P5 level. Dusty has had a good record playing P5 teams but having to play in a P5 conference game after game is just different. His record against P5 gets him consideration for sure but not doing it on a regular basis leaves doubts. Pearl, and Drew have had some down years but generally once they get rolling they keep rolling. Class after class always in the top 20. Dusty is not in this category yet. Can we get a sure thing guy to come in here and leave where they have become the sure thing? Maybe not. If not, then that is how you get to the next tier. Would Dusty be better than a guy like Greg McDermott? Greg has had some sustained success but has not made the FF run and has not been in a P5. But he does show he can repeat year after year which is more than Dusty has. I would be fine with Dusty but he comes with some questions. A sure fire guy like Pearl has a lot less questions about the results he could produce on the court.

Back to the "locked up" idea. Let's say SD gets approvals needed to go after Pearl. What can he do to "lock him up"? Pearl cannot sign anything before his season is done and we have an official opening right? So would it just be a verbal commitment? If so, based on what happened with BS, then I wonder how to resolve the idea that we need to lock up the big fish guy (like Pearl) given we kind of got burned on this path last time.