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I agree. I think he has the makings of stability IF we can see our freshman continue to develop and eventually become seniors. That has been such a problem during the non VO/CWat/Hulls years. We had a few guys leave early but we had s core group stay and become a strong team. Since then we do not get to see kids stay that long.

Didn't NZ's shooting percentages drop off last year in BT play too?

The team is playing much better D and is much more fun to watch. I am enjoying watching the team and look forward to seeing if we can continue to win the games we should. I am also very interested to see if we can get some wins against top 25 teams. Even though we lost JBj, this team still has talent and experience to be an elite 8 team. I will measure this team in the end based on BT play, BT tournament play and NCAA play. I think to keep Crean he has to have a team that exceeds expectations, especially in the post season.

What other schools were involved

Our recruiting is down a bit from earlier years but we have produced way below our class rankings Year. Class rank 2016. 18 2015. 25 McD TB 2014. 17 McD JBj 2013. 6 McD NV 2012. 8 McD yogi 2011. 33 but we got Zeller McD

Defense travels better than offense (or so they said during an NFL game this weekend). I would be fine with this team becoming a gritty defensive bunch even if we sacrificed offense.

We looked into this recently as well. Negotiated most of the summer/fall but in the end we turned the offer down. We looked out in the Northern VA suburbs as we kind of liked that feel better vs the townhomes. Without kids I would have looked in the Arlington area for a townhome Now we are looking at a potential move to the East Lansing/Ann Arbor area. DC looked a lot nicer in the fall than Michigan does in the winter.

I think @GaryBrackett58 's theory was right: Irsay knows he, himself, meddled too much on personnel to let Grigson take all the blame.

Need to keep Irsay from meddling with GM work and need to keep Grigson from trying to be a coach and the reevaluate

Watching the Kansas game and Dickie V is commenting. Strangely I have not heard him say "Bobby you gotta be there baby, can you imagine the general walking out on that court? Bobby you have to come home and be a part of this.!"

"First of all, let's be real friendly here, okay? My name is Coach Knight. Secondly, your coaching days are over."

Between Yogi, TW, Rob and Nick our perimeter players have 7 TOs and 7 assists. Our best ball handles. Our most veteran (except Rob) players and once again we do not value the ball. This should be more like 12 assists to 3 TOs total. We have no chance to go deep with this being our DNA.

Back when Crean sat Davis, Troy and maybe Stan a couple years ago there was no clear description why. It was widely assumed that since the length matched up with typical failed drug tests it was for that reason. The reason I mention this is that there is history with this staff to sit guys and not give clear reasons which could warrant speculation. Now with Blackmon, or any guy that has NBA possibilities, I doubt they would mention an injury (knee) as a decoy. If he was being sat for some violation we are not supposed to know about they could just call it an illness

That is how I see things. Those who adamantly support him are very hard to find. Many politely support because he is the coach of our team.

Why can't announcers just say things as they are.

If I am Crean I do not say anything positive about IU in the post game. Any "well that was a good team we played" or "it is tough to win on the road" comments will get him even more roasted

Since Maui, I have been expecting these kids to step up the effort knowing Crean is on a very hot seat. Except for ND we have not had many "win for the coach" effort based games. Many say we will lose s lot of kids if we changed coaches but I really think Crean has lost this team.

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We are really good at defending the wide open layup. Killing them there. I think they have missed 6 so far

Do you mean we should wait to fire him until after the half or that the second half will show we should keep him.

Apathy.

Way past time. Actually time for a new thread titled why keep Crean because I am curious how anyone can believe that any more.

Do you really think our offense is looking good?

Just saw the BT commercial with all the BT coaches and stated to realize that Crean is one of the more tenured coaches now.

Ultimately the fans drive those revenues as you have noted. The fan boy in us keeps us coming back to watch and buy gear. While our fandom runs deeper, the Pacers lost their fan base during the Tinsley post brawl years and that impacted the bottom line and even as those guys were sent away it took awhile to turn that corner. So I think you make a good point mdn82, I think IU basketball is at a similar point. Fans are tired of Crean and the IU Bball product. Most understand that we have to eat until the end of the year but if we don't greatly exceed expectations many will not accept another year. I am convinced Glass knows this and he also knows the probability of sustaining success in football is lower than it is in Bball. So you ride the football horse as long as you can and make every effort to sustain success there but you can't afford to let Bball slip away because it can be hard to get it back.