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BottomLine

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    BottomLine reacted to coonhounds in Prediction League (Game 16 - Ohio State 1/11/20)   
    Bob lifts the curse
    Iu 77
    Bucks 63

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    BottomLine got a reaction from Class of '66 Old Fart in Prediction League (Game 16 - Ohio State 1/11/20)   
    I don't know if anyone notices my ramblings here before I make my predictions, but I enjoy the process of thinking out loud.  Sometimes I'm right on and sometimes I make a fool of myself.  Luckily this site is locked before the game starts and nobody can come back afterwards and laugh.  Anyway here goes my thinking process before this one.
    I told my wife a month ago that I thought IU's first loss would be Ohio State.  Then along came Wisconsin, Arkansas and Maryland.  We are still at the stage of the season when we can still remember each loss.  This has been a strange season and this Indiana team is psycho!  Ever notice how every game there are several people who pick the opposition's final score and very few pick the IU score?  That is because IU is not consistent.  A lot has happened in the last month and I can't believe that I am about to pick the Hoosiers over the Buckeyes.
    At this point Ohio State, which at one point looked like a contender to take everything, is not a very good team.  They have two key players out.  Though Young might be a game time decision.  They have lost 4 of their last 6 games.  The two wins were over a bottom dweller and Kentucky.  The ability is certainly there but OSU is not producing on the court right now, and they aren't a very good road team.  Throw out the bottom dweller and over it's last 5 games OSU has averaged only 62.6 points/game.  Their defense has given up 68.8.  Throw out the Nebraska game with it's freakishly high OT score and Indiana's numbers are 61.6 and 64.4.  In other words, looking at what we are doing now, OSU is one point better on offense and we are four points better on defense.  OSU shoots the 3 better than IU (who doesn't?) but they turn the ball over more and they like to foul.
    The Vegas line on this game has Ohio State only a 1.5 point favorite and the o/u for the game at 134.  That would make the implied final score 68-66 Ohio State.
    OSU is 4-4 against competition similar to IU.  IU is 1-2 against competition similar to Ohio State.
    As for IU, who or what is going to turn up for the game?  The locker room is in turmoil.  The coach has suddenly become the sheriff.  The revolving door substitution policy is set to be junked and the list of players used is expected to shrink.  Our second best scorer is in Archie's doghouse, and who knows what will happen when he sees the floor, if he sees the floor.  And, who knows, maybe THE GENERAL might be in attendance.
    What the heck, I'm going with the Hoosiers based on a gut feeling.  I figure if we can score 70 we can win this game.  But will need to hogtie OSU's big center to ensure the victory.  I figure I'm either right or we get blown out by a bunch.  Should be interesting.  Go Hoosiers!
    IU 70
    OSU 69
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    BottomLine got a reaction from fwgreenway in Prediction League (Game 16 - Ohio State 1/11/20)   
    Read to the bottom.  Got IU winning 70-69.  We are in this one together.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Class of '66 Old Fart in Prediction League (Game 16 - Ohio State 1/11/20)   
    I don't know if anyone notices my ramblings here before I make my predictions, but I enjoy the process of thinking out loud.  Sometimes I'm right on and sometimes I make a fool of myself.  Luckily this site is locked before the game starts and nobody can come back afterwards and laugh.  Anyway here goes my thinking process before this one.
    I told my wife a month ago that I thought IU's first loss would be Ohio State.  Then along came Wisconsin, Arkansas and Maryland.  We are still at the stage of the season when we can still remember each loss.  This has been a strange season and this Indiana team is psycho!  Ever notice how every game there are several people who pick the opposition's final score and very few pick the IU score?  That is because IU is not consistent.  A lot has happened in the last month and I can't believe that I am about to pick the Hoosiers over the Buckeyes.
    At this point Ohio State, which at one point looked like a contender to take everything, is not a very good team.  They have two key players out.  Though Young might be a game time decision.  They have lost 4 of their last 6 games.  The two wins were over a bottom dweller and Kentucky.  The ability is certainly there but OSU is not producing on the court right now, and they aren't a very good road team.  Throw out the bottom dweller and over it's last 5 games OSU has averaged only 62.6 points/game.  Their defense has given up 68.8.  Throw out the Nebraska game with it's freakishly high OT score and Indiana's numbers are 61.6 and 64.4.  In other words, looking at what we are doing now, OSU is one point better on offense and we are four points better on defense.  OSU shoots the 3 better than IU (who doesn't?) but they turn the ball over more and they like to foul.
    The Vegas line on this game has Ohio State only a 1.5 point favorite and the o/u for the game at 134.  That would make the implied final score 68-66 Ohio State.
    OSU is 4-4 against competition similar to IU.  IU is 1-2 against competition similar to Ohio State.
    As for IU, who or what is going to turn up for the game?  The locker room is in turmoil.  The coach has suddenly become the sheriff.  The revolving door substitution policy is set to be junked and the list of players used is expected to shrink.  Our second best scorer is in Archie's doghouse, and who knows what will happen when he sees the floor, if he sees the floor.  And, who knows, maybe THE GENERAL might be in attendance.
    What the heck, I'm going with the Hoosiers based on a gut feeling.  I figure if we can score 70 we can win this game.  But will need to hogtie OSU's big center to ensure the victory.  I figure I'm either right or we get blown out by a bunch.  Should be interesting.  Go Hoosiers!
    IU 70
    OSU 69
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Class of '66 Old Fart in Prediction League (Game 16 - Ohio State 1/11/20)   
    I don't know if anyone notices my ramblings here before I make my predictions, but I enjoy the process of thinking out loud.  Sometimes I'm right on and sometimes I make a fool of myself.  Luckily this site is locked before the game starts and nobody can come back afterwards and laugh.  Anyway here goes my thinking process before this one.
    I told my wife a month ago that I thought IU's first loss would be Ohio State.  Then along came Wisconsin, Arkansas and Maryland.  We are still at the stage of the season when we can still remember each loss.  This has been a strange season and this Indiana team is psycho!  Ever notice how every game there are several people who pick the opposition's final score and very few pick the IU score?  That is because IU is not consistent.  A lot has happened in the last month and I can't believe that I am about to pick the Hoosiers over the Buckeyes.
    At this point Ohio State, which at one point looked like a contender to take everything, is not a very good team.  They have two key players out.  Though Young might be a game time decision.  They have lost 4 of their last 6 games.  The two wins were over a bottom dweller and Kentucky.  The ability is certainly there but OSU is not producing on the court right now, and they aren't a very good road team.  Throw out the bottom dweller and over it's last 5 games OSU has averaged only 62.6 points/game.  Their defense has given up 68.8.  Throw out the Nebraska game with it's freakishly high OT score and Indiana's numbers are 61.6 and 64.4.  In other words, looking at what we are doing now, OSU is one point better on offense and we are four points better on defense.  OSU shoots the 3 better than IU (who doesn't?) but they turn the ball over more and they like to foul.
    The Vegas line on this game has Ohio State only a 1.5 point favorite and the o/u for the game at 134.  That would make the implied final score 68-66 Ohio State.
    OSU is 4-4 against competition similar to IU.  IU is 1-2 against competition similar to Ohio State.
    As for IU, who or what is going to turn up for the game?  The locker room is in turmoil.  The coach has suddenly become the sheriff.  The revolving door substitution policy is set to be junked and the list of players used is expected to shrink.  Our second best scorer is in Archie's doghouse, and who knows what will happen when he sees the floor, if he sees the floor.  And, who knows, maybe THE GENERAL might be in attendance.
    What the heck, I'm going with the Hoosiers based on a gut feeling.  I figure if we can score 70 we can win this game.  But will need to hogtie OSU's big center to ensure the victory.  I figure I'm either right or we get blown out by a bunch.  Should be interesting.  Go Hoosiers!
    IU 70
    OSU 69
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    BottomLine reacted to Class of '66 Old Fart in Prediction League (Game 16 - Ohio State 1/11/20)   
    This is probably as good of a tool as any.

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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in Do we have any good guards?   
    Al's best shooting was early in the season when Franklin was starting and handling the ball up top.  Al is much better on catch and shoot than shooting off the dribble, which he does when he is playing point.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in Do we have any good guards?   
    Al's best shooting was early in the season when Franklin was starting and handling the ball up top.  Al is much better on catch and shoot than shooting off the dribble, which he does when he is playing point.
     
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MikeRoberts in Be careful what you wish for   
    He was a cheater and the atmosphere stank.  BUT he could coach!
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Alford Bailey in Do we have any good guards?   
    Best 3-point shooter is anchored to the bench.  Not saying he is an answer but there are times that you need to bring someone in off the bench for a couple of minutes that can shoot the 3 and open up the offense a bit.  Cooper Bybee JUCO numbers have him 54-129 from 3 for a 41.9%.  He shot 93.8% from the free throw line and has a 1.8 assist to turnover ratio.  Miller brought in a shooting specialist and is afraid to use him.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Maedhros in Do we have any good guards?   
    On the contrary I don't think our guards are that bad.  Our offense is bad and our player selection is bad.  The problem isn't that we have no guards.  The problem is that we don't has a 3.  When you play them together Brunk and Jackson-Davis clog up the middle and take away any chance to drive by our guards.  The odd man out here is Smith.  I like many of the things that he does but he isn't a shooter or a good ball handler but he is our 3 by default.  Brunk and Jackson-Davis aren't going to go outside and shoot the ball.  Smith can't shoot consistently from the outside.  He doesn't drive well and there isn't any room for him inside.  In short he is a duck out of water.  The natural person to play the position should have been Jerome Hunter but he hasn't gotten his act back together.  Anderson is also more of a 3 than anything.  He certainly isn't a guard.  Do you think that you would trust him to hang outside and shoot the 3 when the ball is kicked back outside?  Me neither.  With the current squad Durham is the guy that should be playing the 3.  He is much much better shooting the spot up 3 than shooting off the dribble.  However, with Phinisee still doing who knows what, Al has been forced to play the point, when Green will allow him to have the ball.  That gives us another player playing out of position in Durham, and if you put the ball into Green's hands at the point then you have three players playing out of position.  No wonder this offense is a mess.  Archie keeps putting his players in positions where they can fail.  When the defense clogs up the middle and keeps the ball out of the hands of the big guys and we don't have a wing that can shoot or drive, what option does that give our guards?  Dribble around and chuck up a 3, right?  Or, perhaps just turn the ball over so the other team can have a run-out.  Does anyone think that the coaching staffs at the other Big 10 schools can't see this?  Personally I like the idea of two bigs, but we don't have the personnel to play the other three positions.  If I were sitting in Archie's spot on the bench I'd move Smith back inside and rotate Brunk, Jackson-Davis, Smith and Thompson with Jackson-Davis getting the biggest chunk of minutes.  I'd play Durham and Franklin at the 3 and give some time to Anderson and Hunter and hope that one of the other develops.   Our guards might look a lot better if they had someone to pass the ball to.
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    BottomLine reacted to Class of '66 Old Fart in Do we have any good guards?   
    Timely that BottomLine brought up Cooper Bybee's name.  Really encourage everyone to read Kent Sterling's tongue-in-cheek Archie Miller - Bob Knight conversation.  Sterling really hits the nail on the head and Bybee's name is brought up by Knight in their fictional conversation.
    http://kentsterling.com/2020/01/06/if-archie-miller-needs-advice-bob-knight-lives-three-miles-away-heres-their-conversation-iubb/
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Alford Bailey in Do we have any good guards?   
    Best 3-point shooter is anchored to the bench.  Not saying he is an answer but there are times that you need to bring someone in off the bench for a couple of minutes that can shoot the 3 and open up the offense a bit.  Cooper Bybee JUCO numbers have him 54-129 from 3 for a 41.9%.  He shot 93.8% from the free throw line and has a 1.8 assist to turnover ratio.  Miller brought in a shooting specialist and is afraid to use him.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Alford Bailey in Do we have any good guards?   
    Best 3-point shooter is anchored to the bench.  Not saying he is an answer but there are times that you need to bring someone in off the bench for a couple of minutes that can shoot the 3 and open up the offense a bit.  Cooper Bybee JUCO numbers have him 54-129 from 3 for a 41.9%.  He shot 93.8% from the free throw line and has a 1.8 assist to turnover ratio.  Miller brought in a shooting specialist and is afraid to use him.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Stuhoo in Be careful what you wish for   
    After today's sad showing against Maryland the mob is ready to hang Archie Miller in effigy or perhaps in reality.  For those that thought we were going to get the second coming of Robert Montgomery Knight, a disciplinarian coach that put defense first, you were wrong.  That recipe for success was gone long before The General was booted out of Bloomington.  We all remember the glory days of the late 70's and 80's when Indiana was a force to be dealt with every year.  Some of us remember the days of Branch MacCracken, also a pretty good coach with two national titles.  With MacCracken it was the "Hurryin' Hoosiers" and a lot of the alumni didn't take kindly when a "mid Major" coach was brought in from Army to sit on the ball and teach defense.  The formula worked fine for awhile.  Knight would go to a 4-corner offense with eight minutes to go and a four point lead and the other team would have to foul to get the ball back.  Knight teams would have the discipline to make 20 passed before the prefect shot came up with the ball in the hands of the right man.  Knight's teams would run their motion offense and pick and screen until the defense collapsed from exhaustion.  But times change and Knight's teams were never the same after the introduction of the shot clock and his famous help side man-to-man defense was never as good after the introduction of the 3-point shot.  By the time Knight left town a lot of basketball had passed him by.  His basketball philosophy wasn't working as well and his personality was driving away a lot of top recruits.
    I mention all of this because the cult of Bobby is starting to rear its head again, because Archie Miller isn't matching up with expectations.  How dare he not be Bobby Knight!  Be careful what you wish for.  Knight's last national title was in 1987 and IU made the Final Four just one more time in has last 13 years at IU.  In his last 9 years IU never made the Final Four once.  Only two of his last six teams were ranked in the top 25 in the final poll of the regular season.  Obviously the glory days for IU basketball had ended long before Coach finally moved on.  Or should I say that basketball moved on and left Knight behind.  Still this was the formula that many IU faithful wanted to return to three years ago when Archie Miller was hired.  So far it hasn't worked.  Now a lot of fans are starting to question if it ever will.
    So let the debate continue.  I'm guessing that with a new AD coming in, Archie Miller will probably have one more year to show what he can do before the axe falls, unless there is another complete collapse this year like last.  And, that my friends, is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
    For the sake of comparison, here are the win percentages of out last five coaches:
    Sampson  .708  (Includes the 3-4 under Dakich)
    Knight   .647   (Last 6 years only)
    Crean   .628   (Pitched the first two years because of the complete rebuild after Sampson)
    Davis    .593    (6 years)
    Miller    .574    (2+ years)
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    BottomLine reacted to HoosierAloha in Be careful what you wish for   
    I have no idea where to put my thoughts on this whole debacle so I’ll post it here. I couldn’t care less what defense or offense a coach runs. I couldn’t care less if we recruit the best players or middle of the road. I don’t care where those players come from or what shoe they wear. Here is what I want from a coach and what I think will win a lot of games no matter the conference or environment.

    I want a tough, physically and mentality, smart, and fundamentally sound team that knows the right play and is capable of making it. I want a culture and environment that wins at a high rate. When I think of this type of program I imagine something along the lines of Gonzaga und Few, Villanova under Wright, Michigan under Beilein, or to a lesser extent an FSU under or Notre Dame under Brey.

    Over the last 20+ years we’ve failed to reestablish that culture. We’ve gone from letting the players run the ship to the players burning the ship down when their bong fell over to rehab for the drugs only to find out we have schizophrenia and waking up to where we are now.

    I want to win as much as the next diehard IU fan. I’m not sure I’m willing to accept we have to go swim in the waters with U of 6, Arizona, U of No Classes, pUKe, Dook, LSU, or the many others.

    How do we compete in today’s landscape?

    We need to re-evaluate everything. We can’t change the fact that renovations were made to Assembly Hall instead of a new arena. We can’t change the locker rooms that have already been redone. We can look at other areas that would bring us up to date or ahead of the other top programs.

    The athletic department can stop acting like IU basketball is just another sport. It’s the reason that 90% of fans are fans. That’s just the way it is and should be.

    I’m as frustrated as anyone and badly want to see IU as a consistent winner. I just don’t see it in the cards under the present conditions. One can only hope but we all know what hope gets us..


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    BottomLine got a reaction from Stuhoo in Be careful what you wish for   
    After today's sad showing against Maryland the mob is ready to hang Archie Miller in effigy or perhaps in reality.  For those that thought we were going to get the second coming of Robert Montgomery Knight, a disciplinarian coach that put defense first, you were wrong.  That recipe for success was gone long before The General was booted out of Bloomington.  We all remember the glory days of the late 70's and 80's when Indiana was a force to be dealt with every year.  Some of us remember the days of Branch MacCracken, also a pretty good coach with two national titles.  With MacCracken it was the "Hurryin' Hoosiers" and a lot of the alumni didn't take kindly when a "mid Major" coach was brought in from Army to sit on the ball and teach defense.  The formula worked fine for awhile.  Knight would go to a 4-corner offense with eight minutes to go and a four point lead and the other team would have to foul to get the ball back.  Knight teams would have the discipline to make 20 passed before the prefect shot came up with the ball in the hands of the right man.  Knight's teams would run their motion offense and pick and screen until the defense collapsed from exhaustion.  But times change and Knight's teams were never the same after the introduction of the shot clock and his famous help side man-to-man defense was never as good after the introduction of the 3-point shot.  By the time Knight left town a lot of basketball had passed him by.  His basketball philosophy wasn't working as well and his personality was driving away a lot of top recruits.
    I mention all of this because the cult of Bobby is starting to rear its head again, because Archie Miller isn't matching up with expectations.  How dare he not be Bobby Knight!  Be careful what you wish for.  Knight's last national title was in 1987 and IU made the Final Four just one more time in has last 13 years at IU.  In his last 9 years IU never made the Final Four once.  Only two of his last six teams were ranked in the top 25 in the final poll of the regular season.  Obviously the glory days for IU basketball had ended long before Coach finally moved on.  Or should I say that basketball moved on and left Knight behind.  Still this was the formula that many IU faithful wanted to return to three years ago when Archie Miller was hired.  So far it hasn't worked.  Now a lot of fans are starting to question if it ever will.
    So let the debate continue.  I'm guessing that with a new AD coming in, Archie Miller will probably have one more year to show what he can do before the axe falls, unless there is another complete collapse this year like last.  And, that my friends, is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
    For the sake of comparison, here are the win percentages of out last five coaches:
    Sampson  .708  (Includes the 3-4 under Dakich)
    Knight   .647   (Last 6 years only)
    Crean   .628   (Pitched the first two years because of the complete rebuild after Sampson)
    Davis    .593    (6 years)
    Miller    .574    (2+ years)
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Stuhoo in Be careful what you wish for   
    After today's sad showing against Maryland the mob is ready to hang Archie Miller in effigy or perhaps in reality.  For those that thought we were going to get the second coming of Robert Montgomery Knight, a disciplinarian coach that put defense first, you were wrong.  That recipe for success was gone long before The General was booted out of Bloomington.  We all remember the glory days of the late 70's and 80's when Indiana was a force to be dealt with every year.  Some of us remember the days of Branch MacCracken, also a pretty good coach with two national titles.  With MacCracken it was the "Hurryin' Hoosiers" and a lot of the alumni didn't take kindly when a "mid Major" coach was brought in from Army to sit on the ball and teach defense.  The formula worked fine for awhile.  Knight would go to a 4-corner offense with eight minutes to go and a four point lead and the other team would have to foul to get the ball back.  Knight teams would have the discipline to make 20 passed before the prefect shot came up with the ball in the hands of the right man.  Knight's teams would run their motion offense and pick and screen until the defense collapsed from exhaustion.  But times change and Knight's teams were never the same after the introduction of the shot clock and his famous help side man-to-man defense was never as good after the introduction of the 3-point shot.  By the time Knight left town a lot of basketball had passed him by.  His basketball philosophy wasn't working as well and his personality was driving away a lot of top recruits.
    I mention all of this because the cult of Bobby is starting to rear its head again, because Archie Miller isn't matching up with expectations.  How dare he not be Bobby Knight!  Be careful what you wish for.  Knight's last national title was in 1987 and IU made the Final Four just one more time in has last 13 years at IU.  In his last 9 years IU never made the Final Four once.  Only two of his last six teams were ranked in the top 25 in the final poll of the regular season.  Obviously the glory days for IU basketball had ended long before Coach finally moved on.  Or should I say that basketball moved on and left Knight behind.  Still this was the formula that many IU faithful wanted to return to three years ago when Archie Miller was hired.  So far it hasn't worked.  Now a lot of fans are starting to question if it ever will.
    So let the debate continue.  I'm guessing that with a new AD coming in, Archie Miller will probably have one more year to show what he can do before the axe falls, unless there is another complete collapse this year like last.  And, that my friends, is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
    For the sake of comparison, here are the win percentages of out last five coaches:
    Sampson  .708  (Includes the 3-4 under Dakich)
    Knight   .647   (Last 6 years only)
    Crean   .628   (Pitched the first two years because of the complete rebuild after Sampson)
    Davis    .593    (6 years)
    Miller    .574    (2+ years)
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MikeRoberts in Be careful what you wish for   
    He was a cheater and the atmosphere stank.  BUT he could coach!
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    BottomLine got a reaction from dar007 in Be careful what you wish for   
    So, I think it is a foregone conclusion that you think he should be gone.  I understand your point and I'm leaning that way myself.  The question then becomes where do we go from here.  To try to repeat the success of the past is an admirable goal.  To try and repeat the methods of the past may be a mistake.  IU hired Miller because they thought he was a Knight clone and success would automatically follow.  He isn't and it didn't.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Stuhoo in Be careful what you wish for   
    After today's sad showing against Maryland the mob is ready to hang Archie Miller in effigy or perhaps in reality.  For those that thought we were going to get the second coming of Robert Montgomery Knight, a disciplinarian coach that put defense first, you were wrong.  That recipe for success was gone long before The General was booted out of Bloomington.  We all remember the glory days of the late 70's and 80's when Indiana was a force to be dealt with every year.  Some of us remember the days of Branch MacCracken, also a pretty good coach with two national titles.  With MacCracken it was the "Hurryin' Hoosiers" and a lot of the alumni didn't take kindly when a "mid Major" coach was brought in from Army to sit on the ball and teach defense.  The formula worked fine for awhile.  Knight would go to a 4-corner offense with eight minutes to go and a four point lead and the other team would have to foul to get the ball back.  Knight teams would have the discipline to make 20 passed before the prefect shot came up with the ball in the hands of the right man.  Knight's teams would run their motion offense and pick and screen until the defense collapsed from exhaustion.  But times change and Knight's teams were never the same after the introduction of the shot clock and his famous help side man-to-man defense was never as good after the introduction of the 3-point shot.  By the time Knight left town a lot of basketball had passed him by.  His basketball philosophy wasn't working as well and his personality was driving away a lot of top recruits.
    I mention all of this because the cult of Bobby is starting to rear its head again, because Archie Miller isn't matching up with expectations.  How dare he not be Bobby Knight!  Be careful what you wish for.  Knight's last national title was in 1987 and IU made the Final Four just one more time in has last 13 years at IU.  In his last 9 years IU never made the Final Four once.  Only two of his last six teams were ranked in the top 25 in the final poll of the regular season.  Obviously the glory days for IU basketball had ended long before Coach finally moved on.  Or should I say that basketball moved on and left Knight behind.  Still this was the formula that many IU faithful wanted to return to three years ago when Archie Miller was hired.  So far it hasn't worked.  Now a lot of fans are starting to question if it ever will.
    So let the debate continue.  I'm guessing that with a new AD coming in, Archie Miller will probably have one more year to show what he can do before the axe falls, unless there is another complete collapse this year like last.  And, that my friends, is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
    For the sake of comparison, here are the win percentages of out last five coaches:
    Sampson  .708  (Includes the 3-4 under Dakich)
    Knight   .647   (Last 6 years only)
    Crean   .628   (Pitched the first two years because of the complete rebuild after Sampson)
    Davis    .593    (6 years)
    Miller    .574    (2+ years)
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    BottomLine reacted to NOLA Hoosier in PURE NEGATIVITY THREAD: Otherwise known as our sad depressing reality   
    +1. It's boring, it's almost a chore watching, Archie has as much presence in pressers as a block of wood, no real fun culture around this team or the last couple of teams. 
    But we are an academic institution, no need to have another volatile coach as our face, right? smh...
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Stuhoo in Be careful what you wish for   
    After today's sad showing against Maryland the mob is ready to hang Archie Miller in effigy or perhaps in reality.  For those that thought we were going to get the second coming of Robert Montgomery Knight, a disciplinarian coach that put defense first, you were wrong.  That recipe for success was gone long before The General was booted out of Bloomington.  We all remember the glory days of the late 70's and 80's when Indiana was a force to be dealt with every year.  Some of us remember the days of Branch MacCracken, also a pretty good coach with two national titles.  With MacCracken it was the "Hurryin' Hoosiers" and a lot of the alumni didn't take kindly when a "mid Major" coach was brought in from Army to sit on the ball and teach defense.  The formula worked fine for awhile.  Knight would go to a 4-corner offense with eight minutes to go and a four point lead and the other team would have to foul to get the ball back.  Knight teams would have the discipline to make 20 passed before the prefect shot came up with the ball in the hands of the right man.  Knight's teams would run their motion offense and pick and screen until the defense collapsed from exhaustion.  But times change and Knight's teams were never the same after the introduction of the shot clock and his famous help side man-to-man defense was never as good after the introduction of the 3-point shot.  By the time Knight left town a lot of basketball had passed him by.  His basketball philosophy wasn't working as well and his personality was driving away a lot of top recruits.
    I mention all of this because the cult of Bobby is starting to rear its head again, because Archie Miller isn't matching up with expectations.  How dare he not be Bobby Knight!  Be careful what you wish for.  Knight's last national title was in 1987 and IU made the Final Four just one more time in has last 13 years at IU.  In his last 9 years IU never made the Final Four once.  Only two of his last six teams were ranked in the top 25 in the final poll of the regular season.  Obviously the glory days for IU basketball had ended long before Coach finally moved on.  Or should I say that basketball moved on and left Knight behind.  Still this was the formula that many IU faithful wanted to return to three years ago when Archie Miller was hired.  So far it hasn't worked.  Now a lot of fans are starting to question if it ever will.
    So let the debate continue.  I'm guessing that with a new AD coming in, Archie Miller will probably have one more year to show what he can do before the axe falls, unless there is another complete collapse this year like last.  And, that my friends, is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
    For the sake of comparison, here are the win percentages of out last five coaches:
    Sampson  .708  (Includes the 3-4 under Dakich)
    Knight   .647   (Last 6 years only)
    Crean   .628   (Pitched the first two years because of the complete rebuild after Sampson)
    Davis    .593    (6 years)
    Miller    .574    (2+ years)
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Stuhoo in Be careful what you wish for   
    After today's sad showing against Maryland the mob is ready to hang Archie Miller in effigy or perhaps in reality.  For those that thought we were going to get the second coming of Robert Montgomery Knight, a disciplinarian coach that put defense first, you were wrong.  That recipe for success was gone long before The General was booted out of Bloomington.  We all remember the glory days of the late 70's and 80's when Indiana was a force to be dealt with every year.  Some of us remember the days of Branch MacCracken, also a pretty good coach with two national titles.  With MacCracken it was the "Hurryin' Hoosiers" and a lot of the alumni didn't take kindly when a "mid Major" coach was brought in from Army to sit on the ball and teach defense.  The formula worked fine for awhile.  Knight would go to a 4-corner offense with eight minutes to go and a four point lead and the other team would have to foul to get the ball back.  Knight teams would have the discipline to make 20 passed before the prefect shot came up with the ball in the hands of the right man.  Knight's teams would run their motion offense and pick and screen until the defense collapsed from exhaustion.  But times change and Knight's teams were never the same after the introduction of the shot clock and his famous help side man-to-man defense was never as good after the introduction of the 3-point shot.  By the time Knight left town a lot of basketball had passed him by.  His basketball philosophy wasn't working as well and his personality was driving away a lot of top recruits.
    I mention all of this because the cult of Bobby is starting to rear its head again, because Archie Miller isn't matching up with expectations.  How dare he not be Bobby Knight!  Be careful what you wish for.  Knight's last national title was in 1987 and IU made the Final Four just one more time in has last 13 years at IU.  In his last 9 years IU never made the Final Four once.  Only two of his last six teams were ranked in the top 25 in the final poll of the regular season.  Obviously the glory days for IU basketball had ended long before Coach finally moved on.  Or should I say that basketball moved on and left Knight behind.  Still this was the formula that many IU faithful wanted to return to three years ago when Archie Miller was hired.  So far it hasn't worked.  Now a lot of fans are starting to question if it ever will.
    So let the debate continue.  I'm guessing that with a new AD coming in, Archie Miller will probably have one more year to show what he can do before the axe falls, unless there is another complete collapse this year like last.  And, that my friends, is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
    For the sake of comparison, here are the win percentages of out last five coaches:
    Sampson  .708  (Includes the 3-4 under Dakich)
    Knight   .647   (Last 6 years only)
    Crean   .628   (Pitched the first two years because of the complete rebuild after Sampson)
    Davis    .593    (6 years)
    Miller    .574    (2+ years)
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