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BottomLine

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    BottomLine got a reaction from thebigweave in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    Slept the night through without getting up to pee. +20.  BTW a prune cocktail will take care of the constipation thing.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    I hate games like this. I'm 72-years-old and I've been a dyed in the wool Hoosier fan since I was about 9.  Think of Jimmy Rayl, Walt Bellemy and Archie Dees my heroes growing up.  I will NEVER root against Indiana and NEVER miss a game if I can do anything to help it.  On the other hand this is a contest and you don't win something like this picking with your heart and not your head.  That is why I'm going with the Spartans and not the Hoosiers.  
    With its best game, Indiana can win this.  I hope the fans get into the game early and loud because we are going to need that to pull off an upset.  And it would be an upset. Michigan State is the best team in the conference.  I know the Big Ten is 7-41 on the road in conference.  However, Michigan State has only been on the road in conference twice.  They are 6-1 but 5 of those wins were at home.  On the road they beat Northwestern and were crushed by Purdue.
    While Archie, at times, can't decide who to play, Michigan State has a solid lineup.  Winston, Tillman, Brown and Henry seldom come off the floor.  That isn't to say that the bench is a bunch of stiffs.  It just says that this is a team that has some chemistry.  We are still working on that.
    As to the numbers, IU comes up short across the board.  We are 1-3 against the top 25.  MSU is 2-1.  Over the last 10 games MSU is 9-1 and we are 6-4.  Against common opponents MSU is 3-0 and IU is 1-2.  Against teams with similar records MSU is 7-3 and IU is 2-4.   On average they outscore us on offense 78.3 to 75.1.  They also top us on defense 63.6 to 66.2.  We haven't been ranked once this year and Michigan state has been a top 10 dweller all year.
    Still despite all of that this could be a very close game.  Who knows a 50/50 ball here and there, a good night rebounding the ball, Michigan foul trouble, a few fewer IU turnovers, or a few extra 3's fall and everything could turn out in IU's favor.  Those are all big IF's.  Vegas has this game at 141.5 o/u.  MSU is favored by 3 so that makes the implied final score 72-69.  I'm thinking that defense might be more important in this game than offense.  MSU is averaging 71 in conference the that includes a 47 point stinker in West Lafayette.  I see them scoring about 74 here and IU struggling to get to 70.  That's it. But I hope it is the other way around.
    IU 70
    MSU 74
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    BottomLine got a reaction from thebigweave in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    Slept the night through without getting up to pee. +20.  BTW a prune cocktail will take care of the constipation thing.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    I hate games like this. I'm 72-years-old and I've been a dyed in the wool Hoosier fan since I was about 9.  Think of Jimmy Rayl, Walt Bellemy and Archie Dees my heroes growing up.  I will NEVER root against Indiana and NEVER miss a game if I can do anything to help it.  On the other hand this is a contest and you don't win something like this picking with your heart and not your head.  That is why I'm going with the Spartans and not the Hoosiers.  
    With its best game, Indiana can win this.  I hope the fans get into the game early and loud because we are going to need that to pull off an upset.  And it would be an upset. Michigan State is the best team in the conference.  I know the Big Ten is 7-41 on the road in conference.  However, Michigan State has only been on the road in conference twice.  They are 6-1 but 5 of those wins were at home.  On the road they beat Northwestern and were crushed by Purdue.
    While Archie, at times, can't decide who to play, Michigan State has a solid lineup.  Winston, Tillman, Brown and Henry seldom come off the floor.  That isn't to say that the bench is a bunch of stiffs.  It just says that this is a team that has some chemistry.  We are still working on that.
    As to the numbers, IU comes up short across the board.  We are 1-3 against the top 25.  MSU is 2-1.  Over the last 10 games MSU is 9-1 and we are 6-4.  Against common opponents MSU is 3-0 and IU is 1-2.  Against teams with similar records MSU is 7-3 and IU is 2-4.   On average they outscore us on offense 78.3 to 75.1.  They also top us on defense 63.6 to 66.2.  We haven't been ranked once this year and Michigan state has been a top 10 dweller all year.
    Still despite all of that this could be a very close game.  Who knows a 50/50 ball here and there, a good night rebounding the ball, Michigan foul trouble, a few fewer IU turnovers, or a few extra 3's fall and everything could turn out in IU's favor.  Those are all big IF's.  Vegas has this game at 141.5 o/u.  MSU is favored by 3 so that makes the implied final score 72-69.  I'm thinking that defense might be more important in this game than offense.  MSU is averaging 71 in conference the that includes a 47 point stinker in West Lafayette.  I see them scoring about 74 here and IU struggling to get to 70.  That's it. But I hope it is the other way around.
    IU 70
    MSU 74
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    BottomLine got a reaction from thebigweave in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    Slept the night through without getting up to pee. +20.  BTW a prune cocktail will take care of the constipation thing.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from thebigweave in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    Slept the night through without getting up to pee. +20.  BTW a prune cocktail will take care of the constipation thing.
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    BottomLine reacted to ALASKA HOOSIER in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    had a good poop last night, +20
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    BottomLine reacted to Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    This is a tough one for me.... I see a lot of positivity and confidence in these early predictions....
    I feel like MSU starts as a 7.5 point favorite in my algorithm..... We are at Home and the Hall should be Rocking for this one +6, we have not played well consistently and we are coming off a road win -3, MSU can score better than anybody we have played to this point and we struggle to score -4, but their defense isn't as good as others we have played (still good) +1
    I really want to figure out a reason to predict an IU victory but I can't find one outside of my HEART and GUT.... which we have a lot of in Joey Buckets +3, but not so much anywhere else on the team -5
    Archie seems to be walking the walk, based on minutes played recently etc +2
    I hope I am wrong again.
    IU - 71
    MSU - 79
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League (Game 19 - Michigan State 1/23/20)   
    Usually there are a few brave souls that post a prediction far in advance of the game.  With MSU on the horizon it looks like everyone is taking a little longer for reflection.  Which fork in the road do you take this time?
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in Prediction League (Game 18 - @ Nebraska 1/18/20)   
    17th game?  Seems like the season just started.  Well here we are in Nebraska playing a team that has a record of not playing well at home.  They are only 5-4 at home this year.  In short, they are no Rutgers.  Rutgers is a team that is on the rise and has a chance to finish near the top of the standings.  Nebraska does not.  It is regrettable but reasonable to lose to Rutgers on the road.  It is not reasonable to lose to Nebraska.  They are 7-10 this year.  Some rating systems only pick them to win one more game this year (Northwestern).  I know IU had trouble scoring against Rutgers but so does everybody at Rutgers.  They have given up an average of 57 over their last four games..  We can score on Nebraska as we proved by scoring 96 in overtime in Bloomington.  Of course we also gave up 90.  But overall we have a better offense and defense than Nebraska.  We are averaging 74.6/game and they are giving up an average of 74.4.  We are holding our opponents to 65.8 and Nebraska is scoring at a 72.5 clip.  We have four common opponents.  We are plus 21 and 3-1 against those opponents.  Nebraska is -17 and 1-3.  Advantage IU.  They drove us crazy in Bloomington by driving at every opportunity.  Our defense has improved since then and we have Phinisee, a good on ball defender, back as a regular. Jervay Green is questionable for this game.  To bad. so sad.   I don't think they will have as easy a time getting to the basket in this one.  The big guys in Vegas have us winning by 74-68.5.  I hope it isn't that close.  I figure that we have to win a game on the road sooner or later and since we don't play Northwestern again this is the easiest one left.  Over their last four game Nebraska has given up an average of 73 points/game.  I think we will do slightly better.  They have scored and average of 66.  We can beat that.  The crystal ball says.
    IU 75
    Nebraska 64
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in Prediction League (Game 18 - @ Nebraska 1/18/20)   
    17th game?  Seems like the season just started.  Well here we are in Nebraska playing a team that has a record of not playing well at home.  They are only 5-4 at home this year.  In short, they are no Rutgers.  Rutgers is a team that is on the rise and has a chance to finish near the top of the standings.  Nebraska does not.  It is regrettable but reasonable to lose to Rutgers on the road.  It is not reasonable to lose to Nebraska.  They are 7-10 this year.  Some rating systems only pick them to win one more game this year (Northwestern).  I know IU had trouble scoring against Rutgers but so does everybody at Rutgers.  They have given up an average of 57 over their last four games..  We can score on Nebraska as we proved by scoring 96 in overtime in Bloomington.  Of course we also gave up 90.  But overall we have a better offense and defense than Nebraska.  We are averaging 74.6/game and they are giving up an average of 74.4.  We are holding our opponents to 65.8 and Nebraska is scoring at a 72.5 clip.  We have four common opponents.  We are plus 21 and 3-1 against those opponents.  Nebraska is -17 and 1-3.  Advantage IU.  They drove us crazy in Bloomington by driving at every opportunity.  Our defense has improved since then and we have Phinisee, a good on ball defender, back as a regular. Jervay Green is questionable for this game.  To bad. so sad.   I don't think they will have as easy a time getting to the basket in this one.  The big guys in Vegas have us winning by 74-68.5.  I hope it isn't that close.  I figure that we have to win a game on the road sooner or later and since we don't play Northwestern again this is the easiest one left.  Over their last four game Nebraska has given up an average of 73 points/game.  I think we will do slightly better.  They have scored and average of 66.  We can beat that.  The crystal ball says.
    IU 75
    Nebraska 64
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    BottomLine got a reaction from HoosierAloha in Prediction League (Game 18 - @ Nebraska 1/18/20)   
    17th game?  Seems like the season just started.  Well here we are in Nebraska playing a team that has a record of not playing well at home.  They are only 5-4 at home this year.  In short, they are no Rutgers.  Rutgers is a team that is on the rise and has a chance to finish near the top of the standings.  Nebraska does not.  It is regrettable but reasonable to lose to Rutgers on the road.  It is not reasonable to lose to Nebraska.  They are 7-10 this year.  Some rating systems only pick them to win one more game this year (Northwestern).  I know IU had trouble scoring against Rutgers but so does everybody at Rutgers.  They have given up an average of 57 over their last four games..  We can score on Nebraska as we proved by scoring 96 in overtime in Bloomington.  Of course we also gave up 90.  But overall we have a better offense and defense than Nebraska.  We are averaging 74.6/game and they are giving up an average of 74.4.  We are holding our opponents to 65.8 and Nebraska is scoring at a 72.5 clip.  We have four common opponents.  We are plus 21 and 3-1 against those opponents.  Nebraska is -17 and 1-3.  Advantage IU.  They drove us crazy in Bloomington by driving at every opportunity.  Our defense has improved since then and we have Phinisee, a good on ball defender, back as a regular. Jervay Green is questionable for this game.  To bad. so sad.   I don't think they will have as easy a time getting to the basket in this one.  The big guys in Vegas have us winning by 74-68.5.  I hope it isn't that close.  I figure that we have to win a game on the road sooner or later and since we don't play Northwestern again this is the easiest one left.  Over their last four game Nebraska has given up an average of 73 points/game.  I think we will do slightly better.  They have scored and average of 66.  We can beat that.  The crystal ball says.
    IU 75
    Nebraska 64
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League RESULTS Thread   
    Another fork in the road coming with Nebraska.  Now, where did I place that darn road map?
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    BottomLine reacted to Stuhoo in College Bball Thread   
    _______________________________________________________________
    Gary Parrish
      ✔@GaryParrishCBS   While working on the updated Top 25 And 1 last night/this morning, I realized only two schools ranked in this week's AP poll have lost to a sub-100 KenPom team this season.

    One is Duke.
    The other is Kentucky.

    And Kentucky has now done it three times. ____________________________________________________________________
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    BottomLine reacted to Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League (Game 18 - @ Nebraska 1/18/20)   
    Here we go again....
    I believe we are about 13 points better than them in general.... However I have underestimated our road incompetence in the past and won't do that here... -6. We can't seem to find any consistency and we played really badly on Wednesday so this should be better +1... I really don't believe I have mentioned we are on the ROAD so -3
    That puts me at a IU +5
    I don't believe we can figure out our scoring on the road so I will say it will be low scoring affair.... 
    IU 60
    Nebraska 55
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    BottomLine reacted to WayneFleekHoosier in Prediction League (Game 18 - @ Nebraska 1/18/20)   
    That’s my pick too. Whoever wins that’s who I picked.
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League RESULTS Thread   
    Another fork in the road coming with Nebraska.  Now, where did I place that darn road map?
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League RESULTS Thread   
    Another fork in the road coming with Nebraska.  Now, where did I place that darn road map?
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    BottomLine reacted to Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League RESULTS Thread   
    Congrats to @Stuhoo & @thebigweave for correctly predicting Rutgers final score, although both predicted IU Victory.
    As mentioned above a big split on this game of who picked the winner or not.
    Here are the standings:
    CURRENT GAME - @ Rutgers   OVERALL RANK Entry Name Score   RANK Entry Name Score 1 AKHoosier 112   1 fwgreenway 1620 2 eladuke 111   2 BottomLine 1607 3 LamarCheeks 109   3 JaybobHoosier 1580 4 HoosierRobbie 109   4 WayneFleekHoosier 1567 5 LIHoosier 108   5 muttcs66 1561 6 fwgreenway 106   6 LIHoosier 1560 7 JaybobHoosier 105   7 Bobman1 1558 8 HoosierAloha 104   8 Woodson1980 1551 9 Str8Hoosiers 103   9 HoosierAloha 1551 10 Naturalhoosier 102   10 Count 1547 11 rcs29 102   11 MoyeNeeded 1534 12 jbell833 101   12 eladuke 1529 13 BottomLine 100   13 Class of '66 Old Fart 1526 14 JHoosier914 100   14 LamarCheeks 1526 15 muttcs66 99   15 JHoosier914 1521 16 Class of '66 Old Fart 99   16 thebigweave 1515 17 coonhounds 97   17 biteoftheapple 1514 18 Woodson1980 96   18 coonhounds 1512 19 Crazy about IU 94   19 DChoosier 1505 20 Count 90   20 HoosierCoop 1504 21 Stuhoo 72   21 mdn82 1500 22 thebigweave 69   22 Str8Hoosiers 1497 23 InArchWeTrust 61   23 Naturalhoosier 1496 24 hper50 61   24 johnsoniu 1494 25 hoosierrebel1620 60   25 Stuhoo 1491 26 incrediboy 59   26 Old Friend 1489 27 DChoosier 57   27 Napleshoosier 1488 28 WayneFleekHoosier 55   28 jbell833 1475 29 Napleshoosier 53   29 Josh 1465 30 BtownBanner6 51   30 InArchWeTrust 1461 31 Josh 51   31 mamasa 1459 32 johnsoniu 51   32 rcs29 1429 33 MoyeNeeded 50   33 BtownBanner6 1427 34 Old Friend 50   34 tkbbn 1416 35 biteoftheapple 49   35 Crazy about IU 1394 36 HoosierCoop 48   36 killerbeezer 1373 37 wirenuts 48   37 wirenuts 1371 38 mamasa 47   38 cappymo14 1370 39 cappymo14 46   39 Me So Hornsby 1347 40 tkbbn 45   40 HoosierHoops1 1216 41 Bobman1 43   41 The Ola Depot 1184 42 killerbeezer 39   42 hper50 1170 43 ALASKA HOOSIER 9   43 reconmkd 1143 44 schoosier 0   44 ALASKA HOOSIER 1107 45 Me So Hornsby 0   45 IUsafety 1074 46 mdn82 0   46 Whojainjawja 910 47 Defenserocks28 0   47 VO5 871 48 tortex28 0   48 schoosier 578 49 TXHoosierDaddy 0   49 Ajwhitis 525 50 HoosierTrav 0   50 BMalcomsonHoosierHeartland 519 51 HoosierHoops1 0   51 crazywillie 435 52 Honkyman 0   52 Robie Malcomson 420 53 NashvilleHoosier 0   53 HoosierRobbie 399 54 The Ola Depot 0   54 bigrod 355 55 reconmkd 0   55 incrediboy 337 56 crazywillie 0   56 Honkyman 320 57 Loaded Chicken Sandwich 0   57 Loaded Chicken Sandwich 311 58 Fkfootball1 0   58 hoosierrebel1620 278 59 IUsafety 0   59 HoosierTrav 238 60 VO5 0   60 AKHoosier 216 61 CandyStripers 0   61 brumdog45 210 62 bigrod 0   62 Defenserocks28 119 63 Whojainjawja 0   63 tortex28 119 64 Banksyrules 0   64 TXHoosierDaddy 116 65 Bill clapper 0   65 Bill clapper 114 66 BMalcomsonHoosierHeartland 0   66 JVIU98 112 67 Robie Malcomson 0   67 IUc2016 109 68 Ajwhitis 0   68 Bowhunter 109 69 Barrell Rick 0   69 HinnyHoosier 106 70 brumdog45 0   70 patrickmorriso9 103 71 HinnyHoosier 0   71 Sam_Boger 100 72 JVIU98 0   72 Feathery 99 73 IUc2016 0   73 cleeter 93 74 Bowhunter 0   74 Fkfootball1 57 75 patrickmorriso9 0   75 Banksyrules 55 76 Sam_Boger 0   76 NashvilleHoosier 51 77 Feathery 0   77 CandyStripers 44 78 cleeter 0   78 Barrell Rick 0
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    BottomLine reacted to WayneFleekHoosier in Prediction League RESULTS Thread   
    I knew better, then I thought. Hmm Rutgers..... Lesson learned again. We absolutely suck on the road. I generally think we suck overall. Pray we win at home. Pray we don’t get embarrassed on the road. When do we get to embarrass someone?
     
     
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    BottomLine reacted to ALASKA HOOSIER in Prediction League (Game 17 - @ Rutgers 1/15/20)   
    Us-103
    Them-72
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    BottomLine reacted to DChoosier in Prediction League (Game 17 - @ Rutgers 1/15/20)   
    Road teams in conference are a staggering 5-32 on the road.
    Going with my heart but it would helpful to know if Rob is healthy and which Devonte boards the plane.
    IU -66
    Rutgers - 61
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    BottomLine reacted to Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League (Game 17 - @ Rutgers 1/15/20)   
    I will go back to my algorithm (which not unlike the NET I won't reveal to any of you).... It did fail me last game but that was good news for the Hoosiers... So....
    I think in general we are about on the same level as Rutgers (we are better offensively if you can believe it, but they are better defensively).... They are at home (-3), we haven't shown the ability to play multiple good games in a row (-2), the rotation didn't "really" get shortened (-1), but they are still RUTGERS (+3)
    IU 64
    Rutgers 67
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    BottomLine got a reaction from Str8Hoosiers in Prediction League (Game 16 - Ohio State 1/11/20)   
    I don't know if anyone notices my ramblings here before I make my predictions, but I enjoy the process of thinking out loud.  Sometimes I'm right on and sometimes I make a fool of myself.  Luckily this site is locked before the game starts and nobody can come back afterwards and laugh.  Anyway here goes my thinking process before this one.
    I told my wife a month ago that I thought IU's first loss would be Ohio State.  Then along came Wisconsin, Arkansas and Maryland.  We are still at the stage of the season when we can still remember each loss.  This has been a strange season and this Indiana team is psycho!  Ever notice how every game there are several people who pick the opposition's final score and very few pick the IU score?  That is because IU is not consistent.  A lot has happened in the last month and I can't believe that I am about to pick the Hoosiers over the Buckeyes.
    At this point Ohio State, which at one point looked like a contender to take everything, is not a very good team.  They have two key players out.  Though Young might be a game time decision.  They have lost 4 of their last 6 games.  The two wins were over a bottom dweller and Kentucky.  The ability is certainly there but OSU is not producing on the court right now, and they aren't a very good road team.  Throw out the bottom dweller and over it's last 5 games OSU has averaged only 62.6 points/game.  Their defense has given up 68.8.  Throw out the Nebraska game with it's freakishly high OT score and Indiana's numbers are 61.6 and 64.4.  In other words, looking at what we are doing now, OSU is one point better on offense and we are four points better on defense.  OSU shoots the 3 better than IU (who doesn't?) but they turn the ball over more and they like to foul.
    The Vegas line on this game has Ohio State only a 1.5 point favorite and the o/u for the game at 134.  That would make the implied final score 68-66 Ohio State.
    OSU is 4-4 against competition similar to IU.  IU is 1-2 against competition similar to Ohio State.
    As for IU, who or what is going to turn up for the game?  The locker room is in turmoil.  The coach has suddenly become the sheriff.  The revolving door substitution policy is set to be junked and the list of players used is expected to shrink.  Our second best scorer is in Archie's doghouse, and who knows what will happen when he sees the floor, if he sees the floor.  And, who knows, maybe THE GENERAL might be in attendance.
    What the heck, I'm going with the Hoosiers based on a gut feeling.  I figure if we can score 70 we can win this game.  But will need to hogtie OSU's big center to ensure the victory.  I figure I'm either right or we get blown out by a bunch.  Should be interesting.  Go Hoosiers!
    IU 70
    OSU 69
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    BottomLine got a reaction from MoyeNeeded in Prediction League RESULTS Thread   
    We have all been there.  Plenty of games to go.  Good luck.
     
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