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Agreed. How many Presidents were hired and then fired because of the basketball program from 2002-2009? Left a power vacuum. Didn't McRobbie run the data center before becoming president? It's truly amazing how he was ever president, and president for so long. Both him and Glass made decisions that we so far disconnected from reality.

For more context. From 2009-2020 compare Glass to all other basketball first schools. Duke, Kansas, UCLA, Kentucky, Louisville, UCONN, Butler, and just compare the results. IMO he ranks last here. And when you compare him to the rest of the big 10 weighting for legacy premier sports, he also ranked last. Some questions to ponder: Had Fred stayed another 10 years, what would the records of the basketball and football teams look like? Why wasn't he hired by any other school to be their AD? Why did he go to Berbouf a school that costs more in tuition than IU and then write a book about making your own luck? Why was he so focused on Equity in non-revenue sports vs focused on revenue generating sports?

Curt Cignetti has meetings with the DJ at memorial stadium on what to play more of, what to play less of, when to play it. etc. He at least noticed the small things in the torn banners and 1980's office. Those are just EXAMPLES of his approach. You're missing the forrest for the trees here. What I am saying, and have been for years on this website is in order to run a championship caliber program, you need to root at complacency at every level, no matter what aspect of the program it is or how small the detail. This attitude helps get everyone on board working together towards a common goal. It's what IUBB has been lacking for 20+ years.

Love this! - But I would argue that there's about 5-6 more negatives we could put on here. The main theme being not doing anything groundbreaking or bold, except when it came to the student athlete bill of rights, which no other college in the US adopted (for a reason) His football and basketball hires Tom Crean and Tom Allen were very similar individuals. Big Rah Rah motivational guys that had 1 flash in the pan season only for it to be realized that there was no structure in running a consistent program. I would honestly give him a D- or F. Because when you compare how Dolson hired Cigneti vs how Glass made his hiring decisions is very apparent Glass had no idea what he was doing. Dolson studied all historical basketball first schools that had sustained football success, and found a formula, then applied it and found Cigneti. Glass on the other hand.... I don't know if there even was a thought process.

Didn't Indianapolis hosting the Pan Am games before him? and didn't every NFL team that built a new stadium get a Super Bowl? Rick Greenspan did a great job of enclosing the north Endzone in Memorial Stadium. And probably agree with you on Cig. Without the Portal and NIL it would have been harder. But I still think Cignetti could have done it

Open your Third Eye

I want to say that people gave me crap on here for years because I said in order for IUBB to be a national championship caliber program, we would have to analyze every single aspect of the program: From uniforms, to music, to concessions, to practice facility etc. It seems like Cignetti embodies what I was preaching for years. Glad we have him, and hope Cig opens everyone's eyes on how to build a championship caliber program by being hyper vigilant at every aspect of the program.

I saw the fire Dolson thread and it got me thinking... Now that Fred Glass has been out of IU for ~5 years. I want to state my case that he was the worst athletic director in the Big10 during his Tenure and possibly of any P5 School. When I saw Cignetti on 60 Minutes talk about how the program had offices from the 1980's, banners that were old and torn, and facilities that were a joke. It reminded me of the one claim to fame Fred Glass had, which was his devotion to facilities. I would hope that that 30 second interviewed shattered any romanticizing of Mr. Fred Glass as I present my case.... While Fred Glass came in during a power Vaccum post Sampson and stabilized the ship and brought a lot of things into the 21st Century; Basketball, IU's lifeblood, suffered the most egregious blows from Glass's indecisiveness and poor judgment. Glass's desire for "consistency," may have steadied the ship, but he steered it straight into irrelevance. No AD in IU history has squandered more talent and treasure on basketball misfires, transforming a program with five national titles into a punchline for Big Ten mediocrity. Glass's risk-averse approach prioritized stability over bold vision, contrasting sharply with eras under ADs like Bill Orwig, who built sustained winners. Add in blunders like the 2017 eligibility fiasco that cost freshman DB Bryant Fitzgerald a full season due to compliance failures, prompting Glass's own apology, and the short-lived, fan-reviled decision to strip names from football jerseys in 2018, and it's clear his leadership bred more division than dynasty. When I asked Grok to rank all of the B10 Athletic Directors that overlapped with him during his 12 years of hell tenure while weighting the success of a schools defining legacy sport higher....Glass ranks 13th out of 13: His era featured stabilization and non-revenue success but the weakest flagship-sport contention relative to peer expectations, especially in basketball (IU's defining legacy sport). Programs like Rutgers, Maryland, and Nebraska faced transition challenges but showed comparable or slightly better dual-sport traction in their shorter Big Ten overlaps.

Ya, Archie gets fired in 2 years and Crean gets fired after 4

Did we hire devries?

Philadelphia Collins

We need @Chris007 and @JerryYeagley23to chime in lol. I’m dooming

Again over the last month, the story honestly hasn't changed. It's either: A. Dolson has been prepared and working behind the scenes and got a (the) white whale. OR B. IU is in a really bad spot and we're vetting our 9th choice after 9 "no's" If it is B... I think we should revisit Will Wade / Chris Beard

If this is the case then it is on Dolson to make the program more attractive for potential coaches.

He Threatened to leave for New Mexico (he loved fishing and nature) so it was somewhat believable…. But really it was to humiliate the administration and let them know who actually ran the school. that’s what created a 15 year revenge of the nerds plot where the administration actively wanted to de-emphasize basketball. They removed the bball team from the information packets etc. in the 90’s. and then when IU was voted #1 party school in playboy around 2000 that’s when they really hammered down on Frats and basketball. Harry Gonso’s ego played a role throughout this

Guys why did RTZ bail?

Great Coach - Personality would be the best fit for IU... Skeletons in the closet. IF McCollum says no... swallow your pride IU and hire Beard

are we still on Brad?

So Stevens is out, Beard is in? Is that correct?

So what happened today. I woke up and it was OtZ, then Stevens now beard? Can someone recap for me? Why do we think it’s beard? Is Stevens out now?

where's @JerryYeagley23stand on Brad or Otz?

Find us a coach who doesn’t doesn’t play 2 bigs

Stevens Spotting

Wait did I miss something? Are you out on Stevens?

@Chris007 is Yeagley still holding strong on Stevens?