Aaron

This thread is a microcosm of our massive issue as a fan base. Any other fan base would not even utter such a thought when they get elite football and understand that is the driver of athletics. We have far to many fans who have decided IU basketball is only team they can support and all others IU teams are irrelevant while others refuse to support any IU squad that is outside top-5. We will never sustain success anywhere with this attitude and will continue to have 3-5 yr up cycles across every sport followed by not sustaining winning. Its awful early to be down on DeVries already (although I get the frustration here). However, until our so-called fans decide IU sports is more than just men's basketball and it is OK to support good non-elite teams in other sports we will not sustain healthy success an an athletic department. Supporting the other 23 sports is a necessity (especially football) or no sport will succeed including men's basketball as everyone seems to want. To not sell out volleyball for NCAA Tournament in tiny stadium and have no interest in sport by many, losing thousands of season ticket holders over a 20-13 NCAA year in women's basketball, amongst other things will never lead to success here. Everyone is entitled to support what they want, but just realize that 'basketball is only important sport' attitude will never lead to success anywhere consistently at IU including in basketball. Just wait till we have our first 8 win football season next year and lose thousands of season ticket holders. If attitude doesn't change this will happen.

If anyone thought Kadlecova was in the future plans, they were sorely mistaken. Maya has already been better than Kadlecova ever was since moving into lineup. Wonder if losing her playing time to Maya caused her to be a locker room problem (just speculating and have no inside info) and Moren wanted it rooted out very quickly after last yr. The fact that she is going to play 'professional basketball' tells me she probably thought she was better than she is and deserved more playing time and told Moren to 'play her more or I want off team' if I read between lines. Totally speculating though.

Im also high on Phoenix and think she has future as borderline starter or energy person off bench. The other portal players are unlikely to crack lineup at any point and there is a reason they were late adds with little fanfare rather than early adds and fighting off other teams as happened with Z and Phoenix.

Clearly you are not up on program and its 'Ciezki'. You are correct Moren was slow to adapt to NIL and her recruiting coach Linda Sayavongchanh was totally ineffective recruiting hence the talent fall off you are seeing IU is paying for at moment. However, losing Garzon opened an eye up to Moren that she needed NIL and was not recruiting well. Moren brought in a new recruiting coach Colsten Thompson who recruited top players at Alabama and has already made his mark at IU. Already the two freshman this year in Maya Makalusky and Nevaeh Caffey are showing much more promise then any newcomers since Mackenzie Holmes (but still raw) and are the highest ranked recruits in program history. Next years class has two higher ranked recruits then this yr even and is no. 6 nationally. It could well be rough this year due to past failures, but help is on the way and the future should be bright with correct adjustments made now.

An FYI: Southwest just launched two special non-stops from Indy to LAX for Rose Bowl going out on 12/31 and returning on 1/2. They are not cheap at $1300 dollars a ticket and only premium pricing fares offered but it brings the number of nonstops for those days to 5. It generally is only two per day total on a normal day with one on American and one on Delta. However, American added an extra flight to their regular one and Southwest launched two specials for the game on the route they don't normally fly (and note it is $400 less than the $1700 the other carriers are charging).

The comment was for two years down the road. I would hope the portal class for 2026 and 2027 has not been finished, nor has the 2027 recruiting class. The 2026 recruiting class is indeed finished, but it is the best in program history and sixth nationally, with the two highest-ranked recruits in program history. It is indeed very early for the 2026 and 2027 seasons, with a lot of great pieces, but still roster spots to fill, just as I said.

You are assuming this is the end of the recruiting, and they won't get more elite players in the portal and recruiting. I would agree if those are the only players IU was getting and this was the end of the roster, but let's see what else they have. This is a great start. Declaring them a national title contender with just this is indeed a bit much but a great start.

The fact that he jumped at the first opportunity to get out of town tells me he knew his status in his current job was tenuous.

Glant is gone, finally! Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Best thing for the program ever!

This team will be fine. Playing against one of the two best centers in the country in Crooks yesterday (Lauren Betts is the other on UCLA) without your post player and you hung in the game tells me team will be solid. Also, most importantly Ciezki is thriving in the second year in this system as a transfer similar to Scalia's trajectory. This tells me Big Z and Phoenix while solid this year, will really thrive next year. These two players are the legit transfers of this class and just need to mature into their role here. The other transfers were last minute fill in's I don't see much more coming of. Team will finish similar to last year as back end tourney squad this season. They should really make hay up the Big Ten in 2026-2027 with Beaumont, Big Z, Phoenix, Caffey, Makalusky, and the two stud freshman coming in Gigi Battle and Addy Nyemchek who will be even more game ready than Caffey and Makalusky are now with more athleticism. That's a nice core along with any transfers to really hit another peak in 2026-2027 and beyond.

That Illinois win will 100% lock in a top-four seed and first two rounds in Bloomington! RPI was in the top-15 heading into last night, and Purdue is elite, so the Illini were the final landmine to lose that right, and the last regular-season matchup against the Boilers is now a pride game that will not affect IU's seeding. No Big Ten Tourney in volleyball.

Agree with all of that!

I know and only put so much stock in that. I still take high value in beating a p-5 squad on the road. Certainly Butler would have had a right to be equally excited if they beat IU again without Ciezki in Assembly Hall this year. It's a value win in any circumstance at FSU and coming back against a hostile crowd shows IU has guts to be a solid squad.

Florida State on the road is far from Mickey Mouse. They are a lower end ACC team but beating a power five team on the road is so far from a cupcake and metrics still have them as top-60 squad. Yes Iowa State and some Big Ten teams are first elite competition, but beating a middling high major squad on the road is nothing to sneeze at and no easier than playing Minnesota at home or Illinois on road to open conference play. That Audi Crooks, Big Z matchup will be a doozy against a grown women inside assuming Iowa State is opposition. Certainly far better having Z than Lily to bang with her. Crooks is arguably best center in nation not named Lauren Betts and is a load to handle.

There is a reason Ondineme only sees mop up minutes. Size is great but lack of ability down low easily overrides this.

Last two games has shown why Moren doesn't trust her bench beyond Phoenix, Maya, and Edessa with bit minutes to Kiaku. Faith, Spreen, and Ondineme cant play any meaningful minutes and why Kiaku only a few and any of them are unlikely to see big minutes here at any point in their career. Both times these third string lineups have looked terrible and showed you need one of Shay or Lenee at all times. Butler game lost ten points off the lead late and when tried again early fourth quarter today eight points came off lead in an instant and had to go back to some starters. With that said Marshall game was clearly a wake up call and they doubled the expected metrics overall in the last two games when the good players were in against similar level competition. Still have some questions about the turnovers and Shay and Lenee better be ready to both score big every night similar to DeVries and Wilkerson on men's side. Also, women have their high level center again in Big Z and Edessa is as at least as good as Striplin last yr as a backup. Big difference is Z is so much better then Meister who was expected to do big things and failed big time. Just glad the wake up call came after a closer than expected win, instead of a loss as happened last year. Still have the grit and hard nosed defense of a signature Moren squad, and as long as Shay and Lenee continue scoring at regular rate with Z inside, team will be no worst than last year as back end tourney team and maybe a seed line or two higher without the bad losses early.

You lost five of the the top six seeds yesterday. This is far from an IU problem. Either the NCAA needs to reform to year round as US Soccer, Todd Yeagley and Sasho Cirovski have been pushing or have a blind draw tournament and take RPI out. Current model is unsustainable and 1-48 are basically the same. The product on the field is not good because the top players don't go to college. IU is amongst the best of what's left, but right now you have the defense of a FIFA video game. I used to marvel at watching IU. Now I feel like I am watching the IU Indy team of several years ago I did not enjoy. This is no knock on IU who has done nothing wrong and Yeagley is getting the very best of what is left. Its the NCAA not listening to its two most legendary coaches and has caused random champions and hard-to-watch product. College baseball had this crisis 20 yrs ago and has adopted quite well to getting a lot of the best talent into the sport again. Now its soccer's turn to do same or we will see more random unseeded Vermont's winning title like we did last year who will feel unworthy. Its a really good thing IU's eggs and top teams are not entirely in soccer anymore since sport is becoming irrelevant through no fault of its own and doing very best it can under current constraints NCAA has hamstrung it with.

Lack of urgency in the second half. The game was a microcosm of the season. Teams realized by the end that if you take Ault away, little happens. The results of the season were similar to 2014, and the team was built much like 2010 with Bruin. An offense can win you a title, but defense and a goalie can lose you the first game. The latter happened when you were a one-trick pony. It can get you far, but not all the way.

There was always the chance the offense could win them a title, or the defense and goalkeeping could cost them their first game. Right now, they have one half to try to keep it from being the negative one. Regardless, they must find a top-level goalie and a couple more backline players in the offseason. SLU is the anti-IU with an elite D and goalie, and minimal attack. While Brown and the SLU goalie had similar chances with tough but savable shots, the SLU guy made them all, and Brown could not bail his side out and reason it is 1-0 bad guys. While the D is the primary culprit in the goal, the lack of being able to be bailed out by a top-flight keeper, as SLU was, is the difference. Whether it is Michelle who has promise but is raw, or a portal or elite freshman guy, this level of keeping meets many sides' standards, but not IU. If the Hoosiers want to remain elite, this is a must-fix. The evaluation of Brown I see with his size, but it was a clear misevaluation for the elite awareness needed and must be addressed in the offseason to be a serious contender. Not mad at IU, but a clear upgrade and correction is needed to be a serious contender going forward as well as plugging a hole or two on the backline. While ideally you want both size and awareness, I'll take Harms' awareness last year and lack of size over Brown's inverse any day. Brown is a finished product who rivals only Souderland in 2013 and Caulfield in early 2019 in terms of awareness issues. Michelle is either that or Louis Soffener, who was awful his first couple of years due to Freitag being an awful coach, and Yeagley developed him into a top-level goalie by the end. We will know by next year if Michelle has the awareness and if he does Yeagley will get it out of him.

I was pretty close on my predictions but not perfect. Great draw and first game will be a rematch with a team IU has already beaten. When I saw San Diego announced at the nine seed early, I was fairly confident Hoosiers would get that Top-8 as I knew Bryant was falling beyond 10 with their poor metrics despite elite RPI. With tournament regionalized and them announcing UK and SLU above IU first as the feed in game, I was very confident that IU was being put at 6 before the official announcement. Also, having mid-majors powers all the way through or a home game in Elite Eight is ideal. That first game with rematch is almost certainly toughest game of the tourney until College Cup if IU makes it. Taking on the aforementioned paper tiger Bryant in Sweet 16 is ideal if they make it that far but could be upset by Seton Hall who is probably a better and more tested squad (doubt Sienna is good enough to go anywhere if they beat Seton Hall). Elite Eight in worst case scenario a trip to a mid-major power in Princeton (who is a legit mid-major unlike Bryant but still rather play them then an ACC, Sunbelt, Big East or Big Ten squad again which are the power conferences in soccer). However, an upset by Akron which is possible, or one of the unseeded squads (Duke, Notre Dame, FDU Duke) allows Hoosiers to host if they make it that far as Tigers draw is brutal compared to IU. One thing to note is if IU gets this far and gets to host the Elite Eight, fitting a game in between volleyball's likely NCAA hosting, and IU's games against Ohio State and Louisville in football and basketball on that Friday or Saturday will be quite the juggling act for Indiana but one no one would complain. While anything can happen, this is first time since 2022 when they lost in national title game where I can easily see a path to College Cup without anything crazy happening. Having that guaranteed second home game with victory for the first time since 2019 is also huge. As I have said, I could see offense winning IU a title or the lack of goalie or defensive play causing a loss to UK or SLU which I will continue to believe is toughest game until the College Cup given the familiarity and draw. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As for how it was seeded compared to what I thought I was close but not perfect with Top 16 (parenthesis is actual seed): 1. Princeton (3) 2. Vermont (1) 3. Virginia (2) 4. SMU (5) 5. San Diego (9) 6. Maryland (4) 7. Georgetown (7) 8. Portland (8) 9. IU (6) 10. Bryant (11) 11. Akron (14) 12. UConn (13) 13. Stanford (12) 14. Seton Hall (No Seed, Highpoint was 10) 15. NC State (15) 16. Marshall (No Seed, Furman) They used Top 16 to a tee for seeds which is rare and was wrong about the bumping of Highpoint and Furman out which were the big misses by me. Biggest other miss was over seeding San Diego by four spots. Thought their metrics were excellent and they won their conference tourney so surprised they fell. Everything else is within a couple of seed lines or so and pretty much what I thought.

Selection Show 1pm today on NCAA.com Expect IU to be the 8-10 seed. RPI is ten. Top seven based on metrics will likely be in some order: 1. Princeton 2. Vermont 3. Virginia 4. SMU 5. San Diego 6. Maryland 7. Georgetown These seven have top nine RPI's and metrics in the top 40 with their SOS and OSS and all but Virginia and Maryland won their conference tourney. The eight, nine and ten Seeds will almost certainly come down to: 8. Portland, IU, and Bryant That coveted eight seed and second guaranteed home game will likely come down to Bryant's six RPI but 38 SOS and 83 OSS, vs. Portland's eight RPI but 50 SOS and nine OSS, and IU's 10 RPI but four SOS and 13 OSS. None won their conference tournaments. Objectively, if I had to predict Portland's metrics are the most balanced but its close so I would go: 8. Portland 9. IU 10. Bryant (Note they could fall a couple spots lower even but only other team who has case for top eight) Note they may flip Portland and Georgetown for geography with Georgetown having RPI one spot higher. Rest of top 16 will likely be based on metrics: 11. Akron 12. UConn 13. Stanford 14. Seton Hall 15. NC State 16. Marshall Furman and High Point despite being Top 16 in RPI will likely be bumped and replaced at 17 and 18 by Seton Hall and Marshall due to much better metrics. We will see soon if I am right: https://rpiupdatemenssoccer.blogspot.com/

Can I remind people this team actually lost these same games last year to Harvard and Butler and figured it out? While Marshall is not quite as strong as these two, Moren teams have a tendency to correct issues and get better as year goes on. A season similar to last year seems reasonable as a back end tournament team. If the team can beat some of the better competition upcoming they are actually ahead of last year with close wins rather than bad losses in games two and three. What we can say is Spreen, Kiaku (which doesn't surprise me) are not good enough to play at this level and this will once again be the tight eight person rotation that is Moren's signature with Shay, Caffey, Z, and Lenee as starters with Valentina or Makalusky playing off the bench with the other starting along with Phoenix and Odessa. Also we might see Faith from time to time. This is a typical Moren squad and once it matures and adds the elite recruits program should be fine.

They will very likely match the rankings. You already see it with Caffey and Makalusky being higher ranked than previous recruits and two of next years are even higher. Those rankings are not perfect but very good guides similar to a weather forecast and with two top-40 players this year and two top-30 next year the difference will be noticeable. This is how it is supposed to work with recruiting when winning and it took Moren coming to terms that her culture was not an end-all be-all for recruiting and NIL is needed and also replacing an ineffective assistant with effective one. Most coaches when they start winning don't have to look in mirror at how they run things. Moren did and glad she made the necessary changes or this program was heading off a cliff. Now it's in good hands again.

Not really. Especially with all the second-tier international players infiltrating college soccer. It's why random mid-majors have suddenly become elite.

11 teams in men vs. all 18 in women. Both exclude about same number of teams for this year. Men was top-eight till now but was condensed down to four for some reason this fall.