steubenhoosier

This could have been a guy reading this thread and summarizing it. Pretty much verbatim the tone of this conversation. Doesn’t move the needle, imo.

I agree completely. However, if you are trying to save your job, cutting corners becomes a necessity

If you need to wonder whether BP is a good man or not, find the feature that was just shown on CBS News tonight about how he basically saved a kid with cancer by his inspiration and prayers. Completely changes any negativity that could be brought up about Pearl.

If #2 is true, he’d be doing a disservice to whoever the next coach is. And how exactly would he position his recruiting pitch? “ I’m not sure who the next coach will be, or if you’d fit in, but come to IU and hopefully it works out for you.” If #3 is true, I thought the goal was to win games. That should be his objective. Everything else would have to work itself out. And there’s no reason he couldn’t get some guys with more than 1 year of eligibility if he needs to address the continuity issue. As I’ve said, I’m not sure where I stand regarding CMW’s future. But I am willing to let the rest of this season play out before sounding the death knell. Lots of folks throwing the f* word around and not willing to be patient and let the process play out. * fire

1. I don't have any information, nor am I 100% on either side of this debate. Not sure I want CMW back, not sure I don't. 2. It may well be that he knows already that he's gone. Why would he be out recruiting for another coach? That coach is going to want guys who fit into his culture and style of play. 3. It may well be that he knows he only has one more year to turn this around, and feels he can't worry about developing guys that won't help him get it done next year. Consequently, his focus is solely on the portal. 4. Regardless of what happens, I see no reason for the constant belittling and denigration of him. This board, this fanbase can want him gone without having to mock and disparage. Regardless of what he says or does or doesn't say or doesn't do, either we watch things unfold with class, or we don't. Totally up to each individual how they want to act during this period of unknown. This doesn't have to turn the board into a poopshow.

Running is a big part that led to my knee replacement. I was getting up at 4:30 to run 3-4 times a week. Loved the peacefulness of it. The pounding did me in as well...along with being a catcher in baseball and a lineman in football. I tried riding my bike once that early. Had all the lights and reflectors. Wasn't so worried about things on the road. More concerned with what was lurking off the road. Couldn't relax to enjoy the ride. I ride now during the day, but since I am still working, don't have the time to put in nearly the miles that you guys do.

The bottom line is that he wasn’t ready for the fish bowl that is the head coach of IUMBB.

Guess I did. I will soon be 67 and had a total knee replacement. If you ever watch the Winter Olympics, I am a curler. Flexing my knee to the max. Old is only a state of mind

So, the guy that was just hired as the new football coach is 62. Generalize much?

Not the point and not sure what I want. Yet tbd. You tend to make statements/claims without much evidence to back them up.

In the current AP top 25 ranking there are two P6 teams that you could say have been turned around quickly. S. Carolina and Washington St. The bar for both is awful low, no pressure. WSU plays in a worse and disintegrating conference. Props to the coach at USC, but there’s not a lot of proof to back your claims.

Your opinion. The portal and NIL have not been around for 4 years so you have nothing to back up your claim.

So, I looked at the 4th year records of a mix of coaches. All-timers. Recent tournament winners. And for giggles, Bruce Pearl. A few one the number of games. Didn’t take the time to look at the other criteria. Not many who even made the 25 win benchmark. All of these are at their last, most prominent positions. John Wooden 19-12 Dean Smith 15-9 Coach K. 24-10 Roy Williams. 21-7 Bill Self. 33-5 Jim Boeheim. 26-4 Scott Drew. 15-16 Tom Izzo. 33-5 John Thompson. 21-7 John Bielein 21-14 Jay Wright. 24-8 Dan Hurley. 23-10 Lute Olson. 18-12 Mark Few. 24-9 Bruce Pearl. UT. 21-13. Auburn 26-8 John Calipari 21-12 Denny Crum 28-3, but almost needs to be an asterisk because Louisville was in the Missouri Valley Conference So, counting Pearl at Auburn, only 5 guys won 25 games in their 4th year. Add RMK and you have 6. Sure there are more but just trying to remember the more prominent names. The criteria is too exclusive that Hornsby is expecting

Umm… Year in and year out Duke and UNC are as good as/better than anyone in the B1G. Miami whipped our butts last year. Bennett usually has UVA playing well. And have to believe that it won’t be long before Syracuse and Louisville are back to prominence. Add to that the fact that Shrews is coaching at a football first school with extremely high academic standards… yeah, I could see him moving for the right opportunity

What would you call what Ware did last night?

In the history of IU basketball the only coach that meets your criteria is RMK. Crean had the wins and S16, but finished 5th in conference. Your standards aren’t realistic for the history of the program.

Again, agree to a point. I am not here to say that X is a perfect leader. That he ticks all the boxes we'd like to see ticked. However I don't think the other guys on the floor care much about what happened with the driving issue. Probably not even the flagrant fouls other than they put the team farther behind in the specific games they occurred in. I think they do care that he is more skilled than Cupps, more physically mature than Cupps. Can get to the rim on his own. I think that a certain part of the fanbase has put much more emphasis on the character issues X has displayed than his teammates do.

Main ball handler is supposed to be the guy that gets his teammates in the proper position, directing traffic so to speak. That is a form of leadership.

Agree....to a point. When you have to replace the main ball handler with an overmatched freshman, leader or not there is going to be growing pains.

Will Wade

Depends on how it's positioned to him....Do you want to leave the program you love with a tarnished reputation and no chance to repair it? Or do you want to try to be part of returning the program to where it should be? I don't believe his ego is such that he doesn't realize that this has not worked out for him.

Don't know where it was mentioned, but there is a solution that would allow Buckner/Woodson to save face, and possibly save the Athletic Dept. the buyout of multiple contracts. If the year continues in a downward spiral, and there is a known winning coach ready to take over, move Woodson into a consulting roll, similar to what Matta was in when first hired. Woodson does have great contacts with the NBA, and that has been a large part of his strength while at IU. He has been able to sell to recruits his knowledge of what it takes to get to, and succeed at the highest level. Keeping him around would continue the relationship he has developed with Montverde. He can still tell the story. But he would be out of the loop on any on-court decisions, and not in front of the media making statements like he has. To me, this would make a lot of sense, save some money, and allow all to save face.

Hey, I’m the new guy here and just trying to get the lay of the land. I hear that certain people are more connected than others and trying to discern what is valid information and what is opinion. I am not trying to make enemies. Just trying to understand how this board works

So Bozich just made that up?

Did they? Or did they fire him for the phone calls?