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Because this program has been utter dog doo since we decided that winning B10 titles and reaching the S16 wasn’t good enough.

Nonsense. Mo Creek was from the DMV area, not the Midwest, so have zero idea why that would have any bearing on Midwest area kids or AAU coaches? Crean landed high profile DMV area players like Troy Williams and Robert Johnson after Creek and fellow east coast 5* Noah Vonleh and Thomas Bryant long after Creek’s departure. Had no trouble bringing in James Blackmon or Hanner Perea who were both highly rated as well. Recruiting was the least of Crean’s problems. Was Crean’s in-game coaching the best? No. Did he still win multiple B10 titles and advance to the second weekend multiple times? Yes. This idea that Crean was tailing off at the end is pure lunacy. He literally won the B10 the year before he was fired and had a team ranked as high a #3 in the country the year he was fired with wins over Kansas and North Carolina, the latter who would go on to win the title that year. Hell Crean had a ranked team the week prior to OG blowing out his knee. The wheels fell off after that and the end of the year slide was disappointing, but let’s not act like Crean fell into some deep abyss at the end of his tenure. He had a ranked team who lost its best player to a freak injury.

I’m aware of the “rumor”. I don’t believe our relationship with in-state recruits is any different today than it was 10 years ago. We’re a has been program that’s going to struggle to get kids regardless of where they come from.

I thought you were a context guy? You’re going to hold Crean’s first 3 years against him all things considered? He was 4/6 on tournaments once he had himself an established roster and one of those misses came after a dumb luck injury to his best player.

So make up your mind lol. Is it simply wanting a coach who makes the tournament more times than not or does IU need to continue to shuffle coaches for eternity until one wins a national title? You’re talk out of both sides of your mouth right now.

All talk lol. You keep saying “just making the tournament” is the minimal expectation, but you don’t actually mean that. Tom Crean, once he got settled in, made the tournament “more times than not”, and not just made the tournament…but actually advanced in the tournament. And won conference championships to boot. Tom Crean got fired because he lost the fan base in 2013 when he failed to win a national title with two top 5 draft picks. It’s as simple as that. All this talk about just wanting a coach who consistently makes the tournament is window dressing at its finest, we had that in Crean. We fired him.

As the rest of the college basketball world points and laughs, at least we have ourselves.

Most people can’t handle truth, especially when it’s not something they want to hear. I get it.

Winning B10 titles aren’t enough?

So not a top 2 job lol? Thanks. Add in McCollum who wanted nothing to do with Indiana and you’re looking at a mid-tier conference job, let alone nationally.

I disagree. Throw out the first 3 years of a total rebuild and Crean’s tenure was pretty damn impressive once he got his feet under him.

Because the rest of the B10 wants IU to continually shuffle coaches every 3-4 years?

What does hiring a capable coach look like? Was Hurley a capable coach after completing his 4th year without a single tournament win and two early exits as a higher seed? Would Hurley have seen a 5th season at IU? Maybe? Bet you though that all the ballknowers around here would have deemed him incapable though after two years. Just a guess.

Known who he was going to get and limited to who he was able to get are two different things. Just further reinforces the total disconnect from reality between IU and the rest of the college basketball world.

People, meaning the prominent boosters and figureheads surrounding Indiana basketball, not fans.

Wouldn’t have gone 15-57 at Georgia had IU not fired him.

They supposedly made Scott Dolson hire Mike Woodson and keep him an extra year, so why not?

I could have told you. Who in their right mind is taking just another job with delusional expectations?

How many mediocre coaches win the B10 outright twice and make the second week three times in a 5 year span? I’d love to have a mediocre coach right now, wouldn’t you?

I certainly can tell you, look at where IU is today post-Crean.

Who cares what he did at Georgia? That's irrelevant to what he did at IU. Mike Woodson won the Eastern Conference regular season in New York, how did that translate here? It doesn't mean anything. You can't say out of one side of your mouth that making the tournament is the only thing we ask out of IU coaches while saying Crean should have been fired because it was clear he was never going to win a championship here. It's hypocrisy at its finest.

Except for the people that thought we were hiring Billy Donovan... I understand Archie's accolades at the time. Firing a coach with multiple conference championships for an up and comer isn't a home run hire or a solid plan. I'm sorry.

Crean got a raw deal with Anunoby's injury, or else they absolutely would have made the tournament his final year. That would have been 5 in 6 years. There's a good chance James Blackmon Jr doesn't forego his senior year if Crean is retained and along with him you bring back senior Robert Johnson and Juwan Morgan as an upperclassmen to go with some nice young pieces in Justin Smith, DeRon Davis, and Devonte Green. Won't pretend to know what happens that year as it doesn't matter now, but have to think it's better than anything we got from Archie Miller. Had he survived, would have been interesting to see how a team full of guards and shooters would have fared with TJD commanding the middle. Add in the portal a few year later and who knows where Indiana is with Crean today, can't be worse than where we are now. As far as a plan goes after firing Crean? Who did Glass realistically think he was going to get after firing a coach who had just previously won multiple conference championships?

How is it wild? Crean basically had two tenures at IU: the first 3 years rebuilding from absolutely nothing without the help of the portal, immediate eligibility, etc and then the 6 year period in which he won the B10 twice and reached the S16 on three different occasions. He missed the tourney after losing 4 starters that won the B10 outright the year prior and in his final year after losing a lottery pick to an ACL injury in early January. And the fanbases/administration said that wasn't good enough. And here we are a decade later where making the tournament is simply a chore.

It wasn't just the "calls". It was the habitual pattern of repeating said behavior while being punished for said behavior. And without any regard. It was the constant lying to IU officials and NCAA investigators. Habitual offenders are the most likely to repeat. He wasn't here even two full years.